Period Photos of People with Ethnographic Arms

[dat_man]

Originally Posted by cyten

Khevsur with miquelet, saber and chainmail

There are many problems with this photo:

1- the so called "four mirrors" armour over the mail which wasn't used by khevsur as far as we are aware

2- the saber Eastern georgian not khevsur

3-the the man is georgian but not not khevsur, he is a collector from from the soviet era here is an article about him:
https://museum.ge/index.php?lang_id=...&info_id=15740

Never the less it is a nice photo and shows some nice original weapons, but not a proper representation of khevsurs

[ariel]

There is one staged photo after another, in the one above there are multiple ethnic inconsistencies, the two pics of Ossetian men on this page seem to be wearing the same kindjal.
And there is even one picture from Odisha ( Orissa), but.... no khanjarli.

Studio photographs were heavily staged, and their validity as reflecting reality is severely compromised.

[Ian]

dat_man,

Thanks for your information about that "fake" photo.


Ariel,

These photos are what they are. I think we are all aware of some of the limitations of studio portraits. It's good to be reminded from time to time. Let's move on ...

[cyten]

Originally Posted by dat_man

the man is georgian but not not khevsur, he is a collector from from the soviet era here is an article about him:
https://museum.ge/index.php?lang_id=...&info_id=15740

very interesting, thanks for the article

[Ren Ren]

Probably Annam.
It's a shame that the background is retouched.

[kronckew]

Does look photoshopped. The guy on the right doesn't seem too happy about it either. Interesting swords, rather large...


Cool photo tho. 👍

[Ren Ren]

In Vietnamese they are called trường gươm 長劔, which means "long sword" or "long saber". By the time photography appeared, it was already an exclusively ceremonial weapon. In temples and shrines, it was often kept in the form of wooden models covered with multi-colored varnish.
Oval wicker shields are even more interesting and rare in my opinion.

[dat_man]

Few photos where you can see omani zanzibari nimcha

[TVV]

Thank you for these images dat_man. The big photo on the bottom is especially intriguing. It depicts a man of high status with a nice shamshir seated on a fancy chair/throne. The people on his sides have nimcha hilted swords, and the two closest ones appear to have the ivory and gold hilt variety. It is similar to a photo in Hales showing a Comoros vizier with a shamshir and his bodyguards with nimchas. Pradines has a theory that the shamshir in East Africa was a status symbol, reserved only for very high ranking people.

The second row of standing men gets more eclectic when it comes to sidearms with a long saif, a crude shamshir hilted sword and a Western style sabre.

[DavidFriedman]

What year was this photo of the two with long sabers?

[Ren Ren]

Originally Posted by DavidFriedman

What year was this photo of the two with long sabers?

I think this photo was taken between 1880-1920. It will be possible to say more precisely if you are lucky enough to find the original image.

[gp]

no photos but drawings from an older period

[Gavin Nugent]

A link from another discussion, Chota Nagpur

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19768