An Eibar couple with patilla locks

[midelburgo]

Originally Posted by Philip

Taking them out requires some technique but it's not such a frightening procedure. First, find some thick sheets of rubber, or scraps of old carpeting, one should be large enough for the entire pistol, also a few smaller pieces too.
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Thank you. I will try to follow the advice.
It all sounds like the bicycle tool to remove links from the chain. Just on a larger scale. Maybe it is worthy to build one, from a table clamp or a c-clamp.

[Fernando K]

Hello

Watch out. It usually happens that the pin has rusted, the rust has increased its diameter and is firmly fixed and the work with a punch cannot be carried out, destroying the surrounding wood in the attempt- If this happens, the only thing that remains is to destroy the pin , by means of a fuse of almost equal diameter, but be careful, the weapon must be held firmly by some artifice and the fuse must be oriented perfectly in the direction of the pin

Affectionately

[midelburgo]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello

Watch out. It usually happens that the pin has rusted, the rust has increased its diameter and is firmly fixed and the work with a punch cannot be carried out, destroying the surrounding wood in the attempt- If this happens, the only thing that remains is to destroy the pin , by means of a fuse of almost equal diameter, but be careful, the weapon must be held firmly by some artifice and the fuse must be oriented perfectly in the direction of the pin

Affectionately

Wood seems in remarkably solid condition. Pins do not have rusted aspect on the outside, but that does not cover inside the wood. I take for granted that half a century could have passed since the last time barrel was detached.

The makers are Gabiola (GABYOLA), of which a pistol with very similar decoration is present at Madrid National Arqueological Museum, and Orbea (ORBEA) which family members would become famous from the middle XIX century. I take that Orbea was apprentice to Gabiola (active 1791-1810).

http://ceres.mcu.es/pages/ResultSear...9&listaMuseos=[Museo%20Arqueol%F3gico%20Nacional]

[fernando]

JUAN ANDRES GABIOLA, a reknown lockmaker master; has been a dinner guest in the home of famous barrel maker Juan Esteban Bustuindi in 1791.
ORBEA brothers; are these the ones that were making guns since 1840 and in 1930 changed their trade to bicyle makers ? Isn't 1840 too late to be the date or your flintlock pistol ?

[midelburgo]

Originally Posted by fernando

JUAN ANDRES GABIOLA, a reknown lockmaker master; has been a dinner guest in the home of famous barrel maker Juan Esteban Bustuindi in 1791.
ORBEA brothers; are these the ones that were making guns since 1840 and in 1930 changed their trade to bicyle makers ? Isn't 1840 too late to be the date or your flintlock pistol ?

There are orders by Phillip II in XVIth century to an Orbea for several thousands of arquebuses. It seems the family kept a low profile in XVII and XVIII centuries.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by midelburgo

There are orders by Phillip II in XVIth century to an Orbea for several thousands of arquebuses. It seems the family kept a low profile in XVII and XVIII centuries.

Yes but, your pistol; could it be from close to mid XIX century ?

[midelburgo]

Originally Posted by fernando

Yes but, your pistol; could it be from close to mid XIX century ?

If the Orbea pistol was ordered then as a copy of the Gabiola pistol, I guess yes. But their wood look like coming from the same piece and all the metals have the same tone and pateen. The Orbea pistol looks like a copy of the Gabiola in general terms, but not made with a caliper, that probably would have been used by somebody in the middle of XIXth century. I expect more info on this older Orbea will be available if the weapons museum at Eibar is aproached.

Pictures will not be perfect to discern this.

UPDATE. This is for the Orbea pistol.
Both pins came out fine. The barrel resisted still a bit but was dislodged. It has active rust but no seriously bad pitting in about 20%, mostly at the back, under the tang and at the sides. Somebody used badly an unprotected vise. About 80% of the hidden barrel is blued, I suppose all the barrel used to be like that once.
Looking through the barrel it is not charged, but there is something looking like molten tin at the bottom. The firing hole has something like a conus at the inside (?).

I noticed that the Orbea mark at the guard has an extra M, so this is M Orbea. The founders of the company in 1859 were Juan Manuel, Mateo and Casimiro Orbea.

Now the barrel had a first round of mineral oil and 000 steel wool, and I am searching for a brass scratcher. I treated the wood with a piretrin loaded solvent (Prevalien) that was good to remove rust too, and dries in a minute and now it has been covered in linseed oil. Probably I will put everything together back in a couple of weeks.

I made pictures but they are huge and I will have to adapt them to the forum. Surprisingly they go in. I did not use an stative.