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Emanuel · 2nd June 2006, 09:33 PM

Hello,
This set ended on ebay http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 and it raised some questions for me. The bottom knife looks like a Tiv loop dagger, but the top ones are mysterious. They both look indian, one like a 2-blade haladie and the top one a chillanum? The seller says they may be brass, would that be likely for such weapons?
I see that Oriental-Arms won the bid, so perhaps Mr.Yarom could comment on them?
Thanks,
Emanuel

ariel · 2nd June 2006, 10:40 PM

Haladie, Bich-Hwa and Chillanum for a total of $200?
IT'S A STEAL!
Congratulations, Artzi!

Jens Nordlunde · 2nd June 2006, 11:03 PM

Sorry Ariel, but it is not quite true what you write.
Form the top Jamdhar Katari, Haladie and Bishwa.
Yes Artzi made a good deal

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Lew · 2nd June 2006, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Sorry Ariel, but it is not quite true what you write.
Form the top Jamdhar Katari, Haladie and Bishwa.
Yes Artzi made a good deal

.

Jens

That bottom dagger is a Tiv dagger from Africa and not a Bishwa.

Lew

Valjhun · 3rd June 2006, 12:11 AM

I've forgot to bid on that

That's true and the haladie I think is Sudanese or syrian, not Indian.

ariel · 3rd June 2006, 12:21 AM

Well, one out of three is... BAD....

I have made a fool of myself.
BUT, it was for the benefit of the Newbies, , just to show them not to be afraid!!
(that's my ego-saving mechanism speaking)

VANDOO · 3rd June 2006, 04:27 AM

LOL!!! YES THATS THE WAY IT GOES SOMETIMES

I OFTEN STICK MY NECK OUT ON SUBJECTS I AM NOT VERY KNOWLEGABLE IN ESPECIALLY IF A POST IS GOING UNANSWERED. THINGS CHANGE ALL TOO OFTEN

I USED TO HAVE SEVERAL NAMES FOR DAYAK SWORDS BUT IT GOT TOO CONFUSING AS TO WHAT WAS WHAT AND WHY SO NOW I CALL THEM ALL DAYAK SWORDS AGAIN. THAT IS ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT USING ALL CAPS NO ONE TAKES ME TOO SERIOUSLY

Jens Nordlunde · 3rd June 2006, 07:58 AM

Lew, if that is so, Ariel and I have the same number of scores

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I think we did pretty well Ariel

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Jens

ariel · 3rd June 2006, 07:58 AM

On far too many occasions I have asked our Moro gang to define to me (us?)
the confusing varieties of Moro/Visayan swords. They throw all those "binangon, "pinute" and who only knows what other monikers around and I sit in front of the screed feeling like a dummy (deservedly, probably...)
Guys, for the love of God, I have written haikus for you, so do me a favor:

Somebody, please show pics of different varieties and explain what defines them as such!

Marcus · 28th November 2016, 10:14 PM

I came upon this old thread and noticed that the request for images went unanswered so I thought I might provide this delayed reply.

Assuming that they appear in the order that I will post them they are:

A single blade Indian bichwa loop dagger
A double blade Indian bichwa loop dagger
African loop dagger from the Tiv people
A comparison of the Tiv loop and Indian bichwa
A couple pictures of a Indian Bagh Nakh (tiger claws), sometimes use with a bichwa
A Haladie, an Indian palm dagger with multiple blades

for good measure:
A Chillanum a recurved Indian dagger usually of all metal construction
A Khanjarli, a recurved Indian dagger usually with a ivory handle and large pommel

Marcus · 28th November 2016, 10:18 PM

They appear in a different order from how I up loaded them the correct sequence is:
A comparison of an African Tiv loop and Indian bichwa dagger
African loop dagger from the Tiv people
A double blade Indian bichwa loop dagger
A single blade Indian bichwa loop dagger
A couple pictures of a Indian Bagh Nakh (tiger claws), sometimes use with a bichwa
A Haladie, an Indian palm dagger with multiple blades
A Chillanum a recurved Indian dagger usually of all metal construction
A Khanjarli, a recurved Indian dagger usually with a ivory handle and large pommel

Jim McDougall · 28th November 2016, 11:56 PM

Marcus, thank you so much for taking the initiative to add these images. We rely a great deal on the huge volume of data stored in these archived threads and it is so frustrating when photos not properly added are lost.
I am always very grateful when members are pro active in reviving old threads with new data and images so the research and learning continues!

2nd June 2006, 09:33 PM	#1
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Odd group Hello, This set ended on ebay http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 and it raised some questions for me. The bottom knife looks like a Tiv loop dagger, but the top ones are mysterious. They both look indian, one like a 2-blade haladie and the top one a chillanum? The seller says they may be brass, would that be likely for such weapons? I see that Oriental-Arms won the bid, so perhaps Mr.Yarom could comment on them? Thanks, Emanuel

2nd June 2006, 11:03 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Sorry Ariel, but it is not quite true what you write. Form the top Jamdhar Katari, Haladie and Bishwa. Yes Artzi made a good deal.

3rd June 2006, 07:58 AM	#8
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Lew, if that is so, Ariel and I have the same number of scores. I think we did pretty well Ariel. Jens

28th November 2016, 10:14 PM	#10
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	Pictures as requested (ten years ago) I came upon this old thread and noticed that the request for images went unanswered so I thought I might provide this delayed reply. Assuming that they appear in the order that I will post them they are: A single blade Indian bichwa loop dagger A double blade Indian bichwa loop dagger African loop dagger from the Tiv people A comparison of the Tiv loop and Indian bichwa A couple pictures of a Indian Bagh Nakh (tiger claws), sometimes use with a bichwa A Haladie, an Indian palm dagger with multiple blades for good measure: A Chillanum a recurved Indian dagger usually of all metal construction A Khanjarli, a recurved Indian dagger usually with a ivory handle and large pommel Attached Images

28th November 2016, 10:18 PM	#11
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	correct sequence They appear in a different order from how I up loaded them the correct sequence is: A comparison of an African Tiv loop and Indian bichwa dagger African loop dagger from the Tiv people A double blade Indian bichwa loop dagger A single blade Indian bichwa loop dagger A couple pictures of a Indian Bagh Nakh (tiger claws), sometimes use with a bichwa A Haladie, an Indian palm dagger with multiple blades A Chillanum a recurved Indian dagger usually of all metal construction A Khanjarli, a recurved Indian dagger usually with a ivory handle and large pommel

2nd June 2006, 10:40 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Haladie, Bich-Hwa and Chillanum for a total of $200? IT'S A STEAL! Congratulations, Artzi!

3rd June 2006, 12:11 AM	#5
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I've forgot to bid on that That's true and the haladie I think is Sudanese or syrian, not Indian.

3rd June 2006, 12:21 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, one out of three is... BAD.... I have made a fool of myself. BUT, it was for the benefit of the Newbies, , just to show them not to be afraid!! (that's my ego-saving mechanism speaking)

3rd June 2006, 04:27 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	LOL!!! YES THATS THE WAY IT GOES SOMETIMES I OFTEN STICK MY NECK OUT ON SUBJECTS I AM NOT VERY KNOWLEGABLE IN ESPECIALLY IF A POST IS GOING UNANSWERED. THINGS CHANGE ALL TOO OFTEN I USED TO HAVE SEVERAL NAMES FOR DAYAK SWORDS BUT IT GOT TOO CONFUSING AS TO WHAT WAS WHAT AND WHY SO NOW I CALL THEM ALL DAYAK SWORDS AGAIN. THAT IS ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT USING ALL CAPS NO ONE TAKES ME TOO SERIOUSLY

28th November 2016, 11:56 PM	#12
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,947	Marcus, thank you so much for taking the initiative to add these images. We rely a great deal on the huge volume of data stored in these archived threads and it is so frustrating when photos not properly added are lost. I am always very grateful when members are pro active in reviving old threads with new data and images so the research and learning continues!