Interesting Tenegre

xasterix · 7th August 2021, 10:34 PM

Really nice PH weaps. Congrats on your acquisitions.

drac2k · 8th August 2021, 05:47 AM

Thanks!

Ian · 8th August 2021, 07:44 AM

drac,

Your latest acquisition is a nice sword. It appears to have a mono-steel blade with a quench-hardened edge. The scabbard is a fairly old design, and the plates are likely to be horn rather than tortoiseshell. All up, I would say this ensemble is early 20th C (1910-1930), based mainly on the scabbard.

BTW, the large knife at the bottom of your first picture, the one with the leather sheath, is an Ilokano knife from northern Luzon.

Ian

drac2k · 8th August 2021, 06:42 PM

Thanks for the info Ian; what is your opinion as to the brass insert?

Ian · 9th August 2021, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

Thanks for the info Ian; what is your opinion as to the brass insert?

I don't know of any particular significance for the brass inlay. In the absence of other information, I'd say it is a decorative feature, but others more familiar with local customs may know more about the use of copper on such blades. Perhaps one of our Filipino members can comment further.

Battara · 9th August 2021, 04:59 AM

I thought it was more talismanic.

Sajen · 9th August 2021, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

The scabbard is a fairly old design, and the plates are likely to be horn rather than tortoiseshell. All up, I would say this ensemble is early 20th C (1910-1930), based mainly on the scabbard.

Agree with Ian that it is horn instead of tortoiseshell.

But my age guess is different, I guess end of the 19th century. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=tenegre

Very nice tenegre btw.

Regards,
Detlef

drac2k · 9th August 2021, 06:27 PM

Thanks, Sajen; the scabbards do like very much alike.

Ian · 10th August 2021, 04:56 AM

Hi Detlef,

I agree that the style of scabbard looks similar and is of an older form. However, it was my understanding that the use of leather around the throat of the scabbard was a feature introduced in the very early 20th C, and the horn "scales" a little later. That's why I dated it as shown. You may be right that it is a bit older, but I doubt much before 1900.

Ian

Sajen · 10th August 2021, 02:28 PM

Hi Ian,
The horn sheet binding at scabbards I know only from fairly old examples and never have seen it by later examples. Since there are not so many dated examples around we can't be sure either.

Regards,
Detlef

7th August 2021, 10:34 PM	#1
xasterix Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 670	Really nice PH weaps. Congrats on your acquisitions.

8th August 2021, 05:47 AM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thanks!

8th August 2021, 07:44 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	drac, Your latest acquisition is a nice sword. It appears to have a mono-steel blade with a quench-hardened edge. The scabbard is a fairly old design, and the plates are likely to be horn rather than tortoiseshell. All up, I would say this ensemble is early 20th C (1910-1930), based mainly on the scabbard. BTW, the large knife at the bottom of your first picture, the one with the leather sheath, is an Ilokano knife from northern Luzon. Ian

8th August 2021, 06:42 PM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thanks for the info Ian; what is your opinion as to the brass insert?

9th August 2021, 04:59 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I thought it was more talismanic.

9th August 2021, 06:27 PM	#8
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thanks, Sajen; the scabbards do like very much alike.

10th August 2021, 04:56 AM	#9
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Hi Detlef, I agree that the style of scabbard looks similar and is of an older form. However, it was my understanding that the use of leather around the throat of the scabbard was a feature introduced in the very early 20th C, and the horn "scales" a little later. That's why I dated it as shown. You may be right that it is a bit older, but I doubt much before 1900. Ian

10th August 2021, 02:28 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hi Ian, The horn sheet binding at scabbards I know only from fairly old examples and never have seen it by later examples. Since there are not so many dated examples around we can't be sure either. Regards, Detlef