Pulahan Talibong with red guard and engravings

xasterix · 14th July 2021, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Indio_Ira

Thank you all for the feedbacks.

It could have been mislabeled indeed.

I’ve never seen another Pulahan blade besides this one- but the red guard definitely is a good indication wouldn’t you all think?

Pulahan (those wearing red) chosen color is red after all.

Would be great to identify the engravings as well.

Not necessarily. Many bandoleros (bandit groups) used red as the color of their standard during the insurrection eras, including but not limited to the Katipunan. Contrary to popular belief and as cited in several historical documents, the pulahans didn't actually wear red clothes in battle, and not all of them used the red standard (which may be why their were called "pulahan" in the first place).

...as my mentor would say, imagine wearing red on the battlefield. That makes you a very easy target, doesn't it? The Waray knew better than to wear red trousers + white shirts as their battle uniform. The pulahan, for the most part, did not have such a uniform. It's in the lesser-known books and historical accounts...one just needs to dig really deep and veer away from mainstream references.

The engravings are typical of Luzon bolos and can also be seen in Luzon leather scabbards.

I've read somewhere else that you've started a YouTube channel- best of luck on that. I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of the publication entitled "A Warrior's Armament and Ornament: The Edwin R. Bautista Collection of Philippine Bladed Weapons."

No offense to Cato, but a lot of info is either incorrect or inaccurate in his book. This latest publication sorts out a lot of things, and has the latest data. I suggest you get a hold of it, as it's been vetted by the best Philippine traditional blade experts, from both the academe and collectors' circles. It would be a good reference to base your content on.

Battara · 15th July 2021, 02:50 AM

I will say though that on one kris for example in the book, I think it is attributed to Sulu when based on pictures of Maguindanaos (and actual Maguindanao with documentation) it is actually Maguindanao.

From the Visayas up I would agree that it is accurate, but for the Moros - I would take the book with a grain of salt. And Cato has not been completely inaccurate, though take him with a grain of salt too.

Rafngard · 15th July 2021, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

... but for the Moros - I would take the book with a grain of salt...

I absolutely support a book about Filipino blades coming out of the Philippines. 100%.

At long last!

I think the dating on the Gunongs in that book leaves something to be desired.

It's still the largest data set out there, aside, perhaps, from this forum.

Thanks,
Leif

xasterix · 16th July 2021, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I will say though that on one kris for example in the book, I think it is attributed to Sulu when based on pictures of Maguindanaos (and actual Maguindanao with documentation) it is actually Maguindanao.

From the Visayas up I would agree that it is accurate, but for the Moros - I would take the book with a grain of salt. And Cato has not been completely inaccurate, though take him with a grain of salt too.

It's not perfect, admittedly. I'm one of those advocating for a second edition to rectify a number of errors- but I think these are minor compared to the wealth of data presented by the book on PH weapons, which have not yet before been compiled in a formal reference.

In a nutshell- anyone wishing to study PH weapons SHOULD have that book beside them. It's not perfect, it's not complete- but it provides a solid, updated foundation for anyone wanting to have significant knowledge.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Leif =)

Battara · 16th July 2021, 03:19 AM

Oh don't get me wrong - I LOVE the book (and Lorenz was one of the biggest draws for me). I have it and it has great information from the research done in the past 20 years. Example: taribongs/sandukos - I remember brining the original research to this forum with Lorenz's permission - all in this book.

Battara · 16th July 2021, 03:23 AM

Oh I forgot! The pictures are great too!

With Cato and others, this is an important book! Yes a second edition would be good, but perhaps a volume 2 as well.

I'll stop now since anymore would hijack this thread more.

Back to the piece - would you be able to provide close up pictures of the hilt, even of the butt of the hilt?

15th July 2021, 02:50 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	I will say though that on one kris for example in the book, I think it is attributed to Sulu when based on pictures of Maguindanaos (and actual Maguindanao with documentation) it is actually Maguindanao. From the Visayas up I would agree that it is accurate, but for the Moros - I would take the book with a grain of salt. And Cato has not been completely inaccurate, though take him with a grain of salt too.

16th July 2021, 03:19 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	Oh don't get me wrong - I LOVE the book (and Lorenz was one of the biggest draws for me). I have it and it has great information from the research done in the past 20 years. Example: taribongs/sandukos - I remember brining the original research to this forum with Lorenz's permission - all in this book.

16th July 2021, 03:23 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	Oh I forgot! The pictures are great too! With Cato and others, this is an important book! Yes a second edition would be good, but perhaps a volume 2 as well. I'll stop now since anymore would hijack this thread more. Back to the piece - would you be able to provide close up pictures of the hilt, even of the butt of the hilt?