ID on this dagger

Kubur · 29th June 2021, 04:27 PM

Hi,
Let's agree to disagree.
Bou Saadi's blades are not like that (plus Bou Saadi are Algerians)
For me, it's more an Afghan or Indian karud type blade.
The Roman numbers at the forte are intriguing.
I like Leif's idea gunong moro hilt with foreign blade.
Clearly the blade and the hilt are a marriage.

Tim Simmons · 29th June 2021, 07:24 PM

Two marriages is bigamy.

Sajen · 14th February 2025, 11:50 PM

I stumbled upon this old thread, I strongly guess that these daggers are Cylonese.

These knives/daggers are Celoyonese mahout's daggers. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=lankan

RobT · 15th February 2025, 01:22 AM

Hi All,

I have a good number of Philippine Bowies but nary a one with a fuller so I don’t think that thinreadline’s blade is a repurposed Philippine Bowie. The ricasso is also not something I have ever seen on a Philippine Bowie. In addition, the hilt ferrule looks like something from Nepal or Afghanistan. I can’t recall ever having seen something like it on a Philippine knife or sword. The X (for ten) and the IV (for four) could be Roman numerals but, AFAIK, there is no plus sign (or cross) Roman numeral. It’s a pretty interesting piece. The blade would serve well on a boning knife.

Sincerely,
RobT

Sajen · 15th February 2025, 01:48 PM

Compare!

carlos · 15th February 2025, 02:48 PM

I have one similar with sheath....

RobT · 15th February 2025, 03:14 PM

Sajen,
When comparing the OP hilt, ferrule, and ricasso to the examples you have submitted, I see similarity but not sameness. In addition, the OP blade with its slightly upswept tip differs markedly from the clip points on the other three blades. Perhaps you could elaborate as to why you believe the OP knife and the other three are from the same culture? Where do the top two examples you show come from? The blades look Philippine. Do they have integral bolsters? I ask this because, on further viewing, it would appear that what I initially thought was a ferrule on the OP blade is actually an integral blade bolster. Hopefully, thinreadline will clarify.

Carlos,
Do you know where your knife comes from and what it is called? The blade profile and fuller match that of the OP (minus the ornate ricasso). Also, as with Rafngard’s example, there is clearly no integral bolster. Hopefully, thinreadline and Sajen will weigh in as to whether their examples have integral bolsters.

Sincerely,
RobT

14th February 2025, 11:50 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,161	I stumbled upon this old thread, I strongly guess that these daggers are Cylonese. These knives/daggers are Celoyonese mahout's daggers. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=lankan Last edited by Sajen; 15th February 2025 at 01:45 PM.

15th February 2025, 01:22 AM	#4
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 533	Not Philippine I Think Hi All, I have a good number of Philippine Bowies but nary a one with a fuller so I don’t think that thinreadline’s blade is a repurposed Philippine Bowie. The ricasso is also not something I have ever seen on a Philippine Bowie. In addition, the hilt ferrule looks like something from Nepal or Afghanistan. I can’t recall ever having seen something like it on a Philippine knife or sword. The X (for ten) and the IV (for four) could be Roman numerals but, AFAIK, there is no plus sign (or cross) Roman numeral. It’s a pretty interesting piece. The blade would serve well on a boning knife. Sincerely, RobT

15th February 2025, 01:48 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,161	Compare! Attached Images

15th February 2025, 02:48 PM	#6
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 748	I have one similar with sheath.... Attached Images

15th February 2025, 03:14 PM	#7
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 533	Clarification Requested Sajen, When comparing the OP hilt, ferrule, and ricasso to the examples you have submitted, I see similarity but not sameness. In addition, the OP blade with its slightly upswept tip differs markedly from the clip points on the other three blades. Perhaps you could elaborate as to why you believe the OP knife and the other three are from the same culture? Where do the top two examples you show come from? The blades look Philippine. Do they have integral bolsters? I ask this because, on further viewing, it would appear that what I initially thought was a ferrule on the OP blade is actually an integral blade bolster. Hopefully, thinreadline will clarify. Carlos, Do you know where your knife comes from and what it is called? The blade profile and fuller match that of the OP (minus the ornate ricasso). Also, as with Rafngard’s example, there is clearly no integral bolster. Hopefully, thinreadline and Sajen will weigh in as to whether their examples have integral bolsters. Sincerely, RobT

29th June 2021, 04:27 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi, Let's agree to disagree. Bou Saadi's blades are not like that (plus Bou Saadi are Algerians) For me, it's more an Afghan or Indian karud type blade. The Roman numbers at the forte are intriguing. I like Leif's idea gunong moro hilt with foreign blade. Clearly the blade and the hilt are a marriage.

29th June 2021, 07:24 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	Two marriages is bigamy.