Origin & Age

A. G. Maisey · 29th May 2021, 10:56 AM

Banten is at one end of the Island of Jawa, Blambangan at the other. I have nominated Banten for two reasons, firstly it was the most likely place for such items keris to have been collected at that early point, secondly, the overall characteristics of the blade match other keris that some people classify as Banten. If Jensen wants it to be Blambangan I would never argue against this, Blambangan is right on the doorstep of Mojo, this keris displays some accepted Mojo characteristics.

However, no geographic location can be accurately affixed in the absence of personal observation of manufacture, so we are talking opinion, and just as I will not argue against Jenson's opinion, neither will I argue against any other opinion that places in somewhere in Jawa.

Perhaps the most sensible classification might be to give it an alpha numeric classification, say JN3, if we were to go this route we could chuck our precious tangguh system right out the door:- JN3, JN5, CJ23, CB6 --- the possibilities are endless.

Amuk Murugul · 29th May 2021, 10:50 PM

Hullo everybody!

Perhaps one can invite the good offices of our Portuguese friends, or anyone who has access to Portuguese sources, to investigate whether such items were gifted to:

- the Crown, circa 1512, 1521 & 1522

- Ruy de Brito Patalim, circa 1512

- Jorge de Albuquerque circa 1521 & 1522

- Enrique Leme circa 1522

That is all I can say on the matter.
I await developments.

Best,

29th May 2021, 10:50 PM	#2
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 475	Hullo everybody! Perhaps one can invite the good offices of our Portuguese friends, or anyone who has access to Portuguese sources, to investigate whether such items were gifted to: - the Crown, circa 1512, 1521 & 1522 - Ruy de Brito Patalim, circa 1512 - Jorge de Albuquerque circa 1521 & 1522 - Enrique Leme circa 1522 That is all I can say on the matter. I await developments. Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 29th May 2021 at 11:29 PM. Reason: punctuation

29th May 2021, 10:56 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,134	Banten is at one end of the Island of Jawa, Blambangan at the other. I have nominated Banten for two reasons, firstly it was the most likely place for such items keris to have been collected at that early point, secondly, the overall characteristics of the blade match other keris that some people classify as Banten. If Jensen wants it to be Blambangan I would never argue against this, Blambangan is right on the doorstep of Mojo, this keris displays some accepted Mojo characteristics. However, no geographic location can be accurately affixed in the absence of personal observation of manufacture, so we are talking opinion, and just as I will not argue against Jenson's opinion, neither will I argue against any other opinion that places in somewhere in Jawa. Perhaps the most sensible classification might be to give it an alpha numeric classification, say JN3, if we were to go this route we could chuck our precious tangguh system right out the door:- JN3, JN5, CJ23, CB6 --- the possibilities are endless.