What do I have?

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I can understand the bulk offering David.

I doubt that Grendolino is looking for a discussion of his items, from what he has written I'd take him as a general collector who has stumbled upon a few pretty ordinary old keris and all he wants to do is catalogue them.

What I did not understand was the lack of response. Maybe everybody who looked at the thread thought the same as I did.

Well Alan, my response was an attempt to explain the lack of response and nothing more. I will not make any assumptions about what Grendolino might be looking for in terms of feedback, but i do know that when i see a post with more than a half dozen unrelated keris all lined up looking to be categorized i tend to take a pass. Especially if no real searching questions have been asked. I think others might feel the same way. Grendolino may or may not be looking for a discussion, but discussion is what i come here for, not simply to place a bunch of keris in their appropriate boxes. I also think many of us have seen similar posts in the past that are merely attempts to gather a few name categories in order to resell keris they have recently stumbled upon. Again, i do not assume that is Grendolino's game here, just trying to explain why fellow keris collectors may have decided not to respond here.
That said i would say that #6 would really be quite a nice keris if given a bit of attention and renovation. I do not believe it is Peninsula though. My thought is more likely somewhere in Sumatra.

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes, understood David, but really, I don't pass on too many questions if I have a halfway OK response, and someone else has not got there first. I don't care what Grendolino wants out of his post, he asked a question, it is easily answered so why not respond?

Anyway, #6, yeah looks like it could come up pretty nice.

Frankly, to me, the important thing is the Bugis influence, in Jawa this would simply be "Bugis", no matter where it might have been made. I voted for Peninsula because I think I've seen more manipulated pamors from there than other places, but really, the hilt could push me in a different direction.

[grendolino]

Sorry to start the thread in that manner that it merely Goes around the conduct and treat me as an object instead of the kerisses i post.
No I dont want to resell them, i bought them because they seemed to me better ones than the rest i Had seen in my country available so far and because when i see such homeless ethnographic objects from the world Rich in meaning i simply regret their fate and try to Save them from the indolents who form the legion of buyers.
So, being the humble reader of those forum i tend for the opinion of experts simply not posing as one who knows much.
This is how discussion start in my opinion: there is an object and they
Are the People who know something to share for the collective wisdom sake.
So far so good. Thanks to you i Know something about those blade
So: thank you.

[David]

Originally Posted by grendolino

Sorry to start the thread in that manner that it merely Goes around the conduct and treat me as an object instead of the kerisses i post.
No I dont want to resell them, i bought them because they seemed to me better ones than the rest i Had seen in my country available so far and because when i see such homeless ethnographic objects from the world Rich in meaning i simply regret their fate and try to Save them from the indolents who form the legion of buyers.
So, being the humble reader of those forum i tend for the opinion of experts simply not posing as one who knows much.
This is how discussion start in my opinion: there is an object and they
Are the People who know something to share for the collective wisdom sake.
So far so good. Thanks to you i Know something about those blade
So: thank you.

My apologies if you felt you were being treated like an object. My posts were simply to explain to Alan why i thought no one immediately posted responses. You certainly didn't do anything incorrectly with your post. My suggestion that posting singular items rather than dropping an entire lot in a single post for assessment was just that, a suggestion. And i believe i was clear when i mentioned people who post looking for info to resell that i was not assuming that was your intention. So please don't take offense.
Thanks for saving these from the indolent legions. Frankly, if this is your entry point into the world of keris you probably did much better with this lot than most beginner keris collectors.

[grendolino]

Originally Posted by David

My apologies if you felt you were being treated like an object. My posts were simply to explain to Alan why i thought no one immediately posted responses. You certainly didn't do anything incorrectly with your post. My suggestion that posting singular items rather than dropping an entire lot in a single post for assessment was just that, a suggestion. And i believe i was clear when i mentioned people who post looking for info to resell that i was not assuming that was your intention. So please don't take offense.
Thanks for saving these from the indolent legions. Frankly, if this is your entry point into the world of keris you probably did much better with this lot than most beginner keris collectors.

Thank you. Much appreciate this post and with Deep relief.

[grendolino]

As I see the first one is controversial most I propose to continue solely on it.
It is 38 cm long with 5cm puting. Ganja is 9 cm wide and 1.3 thick in thickest point. Blade is sharp on both edges. Pamor is hardly visible but present and lis/edges, are plain as, sorry for comparison, on chinese or Viking swords so gusin is clear. From the point where grooves (srawingan?) Ends the section is symmetrical and romboid.
Overall shape almost exactly match the Balinese one which I have, but is thicker.
Steel seems to be the good one and almost no rusty comparing to the rest- i did not touch them so far.
Overall shape, proportions and manufacture is for me attractive and to be honest it was this one which attract me to but the bunch.
I try to attach some macro photos when I catch the time.

[David]

Originally Posted by grendolino

As I see the first one is controversial most I propose to continue solely on it.
It is 38 cm long with 5cm puting. Ganja is 9 cm wide and 1.3 thick in thickest point. Blade is sharp on both edges. Pamor is hardly visible but present and lis/edges, are plain as, sorry for comparison, on chinese or Viking swords so gusin is clear. From the point where grooves (srawingan?) Ends the section is symmetrical and romboid.
Overall shape almost exactly match the Balinese one which I have, but is thicker.
Steel seems to be the good one and almost no rusty comparing to the rest- i did not touch them so far.
Overall shape, proportions and manufacture is for me attractive and to be honest it was this one which attract me to but the bunch.
I try to attach some macro photos when I catch the time.

Well, i see that both #1 and #6 seem to have some mixed reactions. Frankly i don't believe either of these are Peninsula blades. My gut feeling on #1 would be Alan's second choice, Lombok. It is a bit on the short side for blades from this area, but Lombok often presents examples that don't quite fit into normal pigeonholes.
On #6 i would look to Sumatra as i stated previously. It is Bugis, but the Bugis people were everywhere throughout the archipelago. As Alan suggested, better images of the hilt might help pin this down.
The metal piece in #8 is not a sarong, it is a pendok. It may still have the gandar (sheath stem) inside it though. I agree those who placed this in Sumatra. The motifs seem to confirm that.

[Athanase]

Overall I have the same opinion as the others for the origins.

1: The size looks large which might make you think of the ancient Java Kriss from the 17th century or Lombok or Bali, but the blade carving seems too coarse to me. I find in fact that it can have a Peninsula side and also reminds some aspects of the oldest blades of Kriss Moro.
Either it is an old Javanese or Balinese blade whose sculpture was originally finer, but the sculpture was dulled by poor maintenance in the long term (derusting with a file which dulled the ridges?) .

2 and 3: Bugis blade

4: Java

5: I would think of Sumatra as the greneng is really seems crudely carved, it would have been better carved on a Javanese blade.

6: very beautiful Bugis blade, The scabbard reminds me of either Sumatra or the Malay Peninsula.

7: Madura (nice dress).

8: the wood is from Java (I think East Java)
the metal is from Sumatra.

[grendolino]

Originally Posted by Athanase

Overall I have the same opinion as the others for the origins.

1: The size looks large which might make you think of the ancient Java Kriss from the 17th century or Lombok or Bali, but the blade carving seems too coarse to me. I find in fact that it can have a Peninsula side and also reminds some aspects of the oldest blades of Kriss Moro.
Either it is an old Javanese or Balinese blade whose sculpture was originally finer, but the sculpture was dulled by poor maintenance in the long term (derusting with a file which dulled the ridges?) .

2 and 3: Bugis blade

4: Java

5: I would think of Sumatra as the greneng is really seems crudely carved, it would have been better carved on a Javanese blade.

6: very beautiful Bugis blade, The scabbard reminds me of either Sumatra or the Malay Peninsula.

7: Madura (nice dress).

8: the wood is from Java (I think East Java)
the metal is from Sumatra.

Thank you.
No file signs on the first one.
Metal sarong is silver. Tested

[Jean]

Please show us the sarong and hilt if you have them as it may clarify the origin of this kris.

[Athanase]

Originally Posted by Jean

Please show us the sarong and hilt if you have them as it may clarify the origin of this kris.

I think that Grendolino tell of silver gandar n°8 wich not match with the first keris.

[grendolino]

Originally Posted by Athanase

I think that Grendolino tell of silver gandar n°8 wich not match with the first keris.

Yes. I did.
I have showno everything I have

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Athanase

I think that Grendolino tell of silver gandar n°8 wich not match with the first keris.

You are right, sorry for the confusion!