balinese keriss ?

Interested Party · 8th March 2021, 05:58 AM

I've always wondered why the Solo pendok is open in the front while the Dogya completely covers the wood of the gandjar. Is it for symbolic reasons or is it purely aesthetic?

Jean · 8th March 2021, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Interested Party

I've always wondered why the Solo pendok is open in the front while the Dogya completely covers the wood of the gandjar. Is it for symbolic reasons or is it purely aesthetic?

Not fully correct, blewah (open) style pendoks also exist in Yogya but are less common, see pic.
Regards

Jean · 8th March 2021, 09:01 AM

The engravings on the pendok apparently read as 1807, but if the date uses the Javanese calendar, you have to add 78 so it is equivalent to 1885 AD.
Regards

francantolin · 8th March 2021, 09:20 PM

Hello,
thank you all for your comments !!

1885 is already a nice surprise !
Thank's a lot Jean for the translation !!

For the second Kriss ,
I have these pictures for the moment...

Jean · 9th March 2021, 09:07 AM

Hum, this is a recently made and common quality blade indeed

Please keep in mind that the dates engraved on the pendoks are not always correct (tricky sellers!)

, however 1885 could be realistic.

David · 10th March 2021, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Hum, this is a recently made and common quality blade indeed

Please keep in mind that the dates engraved on the pendoks are not always correct (tricky sellers!)

, however 1885 could be realistic.

I agree on the second keris. Looks recent to my eye, at least from what i can see in the photos.
The engraving on the pendok on the first one seems to have age IMHO, though it's hard to say if it originally belongs on this sheath or was merely an old piece that was used to assemble this keris for sale by a dealer. However, the blade seems to be old as well anyway so i see no reason not to regard this as an antique keris and take the 1885 at face value.

Jean · 10th March 2021, 09:49 AM

Yes, the blade looks old indeed and fitting quite well into the scabbard but the top of the pendok does not adjust well with the warangka on the reverse side (see first pic) so this is not an original setting IMO.

8th March 2021, 09:20 PM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, thank you all for your comments !! 1885 is already a nice surprise ! Thank's a lot Jean for the translation !! For the second Kriss , I have these pictures for the moment... Attached Images

8th March 2021, 05:58 AM	#1
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 490	I've always wondered why the Solo pendok is open in the front while the Dogya completely covers the wood of the gandjar. Is it for symbolic reasons or is it purely aesthetic?

8th March 2021, 09:01 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	The engravings on the pendok apparently read as 1807, but if the date uses the Javanese calendar, you have to add 78 so it is equivalent to 1885 AD. Regards

9th March 2021, 09:07 AM	#5
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hum, this is a recently made and common quality blade indeed Please keep in mind that the dates engraved on the pendoks are not always correct (tricky sellers!) , however 1885 could be realistic.

10th March 2021, 09:49 AM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Yes, the blade looks old indeed and fitting quite well into the scabbard but the top of the pendok does not adjust well with the warangka on the reverse side (see first pic) so this is not an original setting IMO.