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Hello Shayde,
I hope that you take my comment not harshly! It's now the second item you post here that is in my humble opinion not a collectors item and only a rusted piece of iron and not worth to spend any work of conservation in it. You should spend your money for better remained items. ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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Hi Shayde,
In the job lot of items you got a fantastic, in my mind Sossun Pattah, you have up on another post. So if the other items are corroded beyond normal collector value (like this Item) so be it. I find I learn as much from relic items as much as good condition items was there much else in the haul? Regards, Ken Last edited by Kmaddock; 23rd February 2021 at 03:13 PM. |
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In the case that the sword was together with the two corroded items and the price was correct it was indeed no mistake!
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I think your assessment of the early 20th-century is correct and are you sure that the handle is wood rather than horn?
Since the item is in poor condition, why not practice your restoration on it, where you can experiment with some techniques that you might not normally use? |
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Any thoughts on what kind of restoration you'd envision. Maye just a polish and replacing the grip? |
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Hello Rob,
Another vote for deteriorated horn - looks quite similar as the kukri to me. I'd also suggest that such pieces offer opportunities like extensive repolishing projects; never throw any bits and pieces away, of course. And I also agree that any genuine and old piece is collectable as it is a still extant material link to a usually past culture even if the monetary value may be approaching zero. And, mind you, there never can be too many barungs - keep them coming! ![]() ![]() Regards, Kai |
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There was once a kindjal restoration by Youtube online but I don't find it anymore but here is a restoration of a similar dagger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj_DrAtWOiA When you use horn for the handle this could be a way of restoration. ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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Hello Shayde78,
Sajen had an interesting video on restoring a blade, however, I think yours has greater pitting and you may not have a stationary belt sander. I would also first use a wire brush on your item, then use an orbital sander on the blade, starting with 200 grit, then, 300, then 400. Clean your blade with some type of abrasive paste polish and assess your item. With the corrosion still evident in the pitting, take a spent brass bullet casing, crush it flat and scrape out the rust to your satisfaction(the brass will not mark the metal as it is softer than the blade), clean again with your polish. When you are satisfied, now you must hand sand in a manner as they showed; use 600 grit, then 800 grit, then 1000 grit, and so on until you are happy, polish and wax. In regards to the handle, I would carefully remove the iron bolsters and save them, make a cardboard template of the handles and transpose them to solid wood, and then shape them accordingly. PLEASE DO NOT USE THESE METHODS ON YOUR VERY FINE INDIAN SWORD; I AM ONLY SUGGESTING THAT YOU DO THIS ON THIS ONE SWORD THAT IS IN POOR CONDITION. |
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Hello Detlef,
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![]() I may be an old fart, but I am really weary of power tools being utilized for such restoration attempts. Chances are very close to nill that you'll be able to keep the original temper of any traditional blade (we're not talking about specialized modern tool steel here), especially along the edge! There is a reason why continuously water-cooled grinding equipment was utilized in factory-like settings during the good ol' days... For a real learning experience I'd stick with manual tools. Considering that the whole blade surface will have to be repolished, one might want to start with electrolytic rust removal for a thorough initial cleaning. If the pitting happens to be really deep, it might not be feasible to polish all the pitting out (unless you aim at a miniature kindjal); remaining holes may be filled with epoxy or hard wax. Quote:
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Ken, Thanks for weighing in. I agree - the sossun pattah was the item that interested me in the lot as a whole. Being that I got 6 items for less than I would have paid for that one sword, I'm OK if the rest are not "collector's condition". I try to take good care of the items in my collection, but if one (or several) come to me in rough shape, I don't mind too much. As you say, I can learn a lot from these more damaged items, especially as I may be afforded opportunity to see how hilts were mounted, and such details that would otherwise be hidden on items in better conditions that you would never dream of taking apart. Also, and I know this is a point of some contention, I don't mind patina that indicates age and use by the original culture from which the weapon originates. As for additional items, there were two machetes (one I haven't identified yet, the other is a 1943 Collins - a big beefy thing). There was also a Barong, that I haven't gotten around to formatting the pictures to post on here. That is in the best condition of the lot, and has a description carved into the sheath that suggests a GI bring-back item. Still, it has friction tape around the grip down by the blade where a wire wrap would traditionally have been. Might not be worth posting here as there are countless other examples already populating these pages. ![]() -Rob |
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Detlef, I always appreciate honest opinions and sharing of expertise. It is the reason I am a member of this site - not to have my hopes confirmed, but to learn more about the items I collect. Thank you for being kind in the delivery of your feedback, but no worries, I fully accept the condition of this and the kukri are indeed rough, to say the least. -Rob |
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