Help on what I just bought.... - Page 2

Ian · 22nd February 2021, 09:01 AM

Thanks Xas. I've refrained from commenting on this one because I did not think it was Filipino in origin, and more likely western in manufacture (no idea where exactly).

Several elements of the hilt are not "right," and the engraved designs look atypical to me. Superficially it resembles work from several Luzon areas, but not really ...

kronckew · 24th February 2021, 11:50 PM

Another hoofy weapon from an auction I lost today: Described as a 'Spanish Dagger': blade ~6 in./ 15 cm. (there were 2 other daggers in the lot with more conventional grips with similar scabbards and blades)

Ian · 25th February 2021, 12:23 AM

Thanks Wayne. Spanish rather than "Spanish Colonial" makes sense. Again there is a passing resemblance to northern Luzon in the hoof style of the hilt, but not typical.

kronckew · 25th February 2021, 12:41 AM

Just for reference, here's the whole 'Spanish Dagger' lot. Not too fond of the one with the head pommel, doesn't fit somehow. Apparently they're from a living French collector who was clearing out some items he lost interest in, to make room for new stuff.

blindside · 25th February 2021, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xasterix

Sorry to burst the bubble, blindside. The ILT proprietor is a friend of mine...but he has very limited traditional blade knowledge. The blade that you posted actually isn't endemic to the Ilocanos...it has a backstory.

Several years back, the governor of Ilocos saw the Ars Cives Macau Exhibition, wherein several PH swords were exhibited and erroneously labeled as Ilocos- when actually they came from other Luzon areas such as Batangas and Cavite. Inspired by what he thought of as Ilocos swords, that governor had the ILT guys make reproductions of what he thought were Ilocos-provenanced blades.

The rest...is history. I've told ILT the facts, but of course it won't do well with marketing, and they're hesitant to back out of designs which they were told were originally Ilocano.

I'm of half Ilocano lineage myself, but in this matter, I believe things must be straightened out, in deference to the other Luzon pandays.

As for your blade...I don't really know where it is from. A lot of friends have debated over it, and their consensus is that it's not of PH provenance due to certain construction indicators.

Thank you, I really appreciate the information.

24th February 2021, 11:50 PM	#32
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,178	Another hoofy weapon from an auction I lost today: Described as a 'Spanish Dagger': blade ~6 in./ 15 cm. (there were 2 other daggers in the lot with more conventional grips with similar scabbards and blades) Attached Images

25th February 2021, 12:41 AM	#34
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,178	Just for reference, here's the whole 'Spanish Dagger' lot. Not too fond of the one with the head pommel, doesn't fit somehow. Apparently they're from a living French collector who was clearing out some items he lost interest in, to make room for new stuff. Attached Images

22nd February 2021, 09:01 AM	#31
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,194	Thanks Xas. I've refrained from commenting on this one because I did not think it was Filipino in origin, and more likely western in manufacture (no idea where exactly). Several elements of the hilt are not "right," and the engraved designs look atypical to me. Superficially it resembles work from several Luzon areas, but not really ...

25th February 2021, 12:23 AM	#33
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,194	Thanks Wayne. Spanish rather than "Spanish Colonial" makes sense. Again there is a passing resemblance to northern Luzon in the hoof style of the hilt, but not typical.