it's kriss sajen???

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Ria

... From my personal point of view, if I referred Hartcone's blade, it is not about having a good work of art (gold work), but it is more about to enhance it talismanic value...Ria

Hi Ria, I understood what you're trying to imply. Your reference did help me recalled where I've seen the example. Thank you. Btw, there's not many reference to this type.

Could you elaborate how does having the one-piece construction or the metal hilt enhance it talismanic value?

The reason I asked is, because I have a similar type which I hope you could assist.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

This one-piece type with a longer conventional keris blade, any idea when did this form started to appear? Or had it evolved from a ceremonial piece into its existing modern form?

[nechesh]

That is an interesting keris Shahrial. Didn't we talk about this one once before? I don't remember the thread exactly. Is the hilt welded on? It certainly appears as if it is a seperate piece since there is a seperate gonjo. The blade itself looks old, but the gold work looks new. Have you ever had the inscriptions translated?
I'm not sure i would classify your keris as sajen either, since it seems to have a seperate gonjo and hilt (even if the hilt is welded, it still must be seperate). But it seems to be more than just a keris made for collection purpose.
What is it about this keris that gives you the impression it was used by a healer?

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by nechesh

Didn't we talk about this one once before? I don't remember the thread exactly.

We did...just hoping that more info can be acquired for this piece...

Is the hilt welded on?

Probably...it cannot even be moved, even with the heating technique.

It certainly appears as if it is a seperate piece since there is a seperate gonjo. The blade itself looks old, but the gold work looks new. Have you ever had the inscriptions translated?

It appears that way. I believe that the talismanic inscriptions were a later add-on too (at least more than 17 years ago). The inscriptions had been translated, many years back...

I'm not sure i would classify your keris as sajen either, since it seems to have a seperate gonjo and hilt (even if the hilt is welded, it still must be seperate). But it seems to be more than just a keris made for collection purpose.

Perhaps? Any idea on its purpose?

What is it about this keris that gives you the impression it was used by a healer?

David, esoterically speaking, it's just a probable guess...

[nechesh]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Perhaps? Any idea on its purpose?

Shahrial, i would imagine a good clue into that purpose would be the meaning of the inscription on the blade. I understand why, for esoteric purposes, you might not want to share that info here, but it does limits my understanding of the blade not knowing. I am not trying to convince you to share this info, just pointing out that it would be helpful to answering your question.

Ria, no problem on you misunderstanding of Solyom's passage. Your English is better than my Indo. I just wanted it to be clear so as not to mislead anyone.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by nechesh

Shahrial, i would imagine a good clue into that purpose would be the meaning of the inscription on the blade...

The inscriptions translations had been updated in my keris gallery album.

[nechesh]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

The inscriptions translations had been updated in my keris gallery album.

Thanks!
Given these translations it sounds more like this was a keris for a policeman more than a healer.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by nechesh

Thanks! Given these translations it sounds more like this was a keris for a policeman more than a healer.

That's just from the inscriptions and not the keris itself. The inscription was a later addition, i think.