Charge of the Light Brigade, Balaklava, 1854

Will M · 6th January 2021, 10:01 PM

Jim I've seen the Mole name on hangers circ 1800.

Jim McDougall · 7th January 2021, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Will M

Jim I've seen the Mole name on hangers circ 1800.

Ahah! I knew MOLE had to have been before 1832, after all the Mohll family from Shotley had been around since the 17th c. so the 1832 was kinda suspect.

ariel · 7th January 2021, 04:11 AM

I have a sword of General Pavel Liprandi, who was a commander of Russian forces at Balaclava.
He came to inspect the just captured Turkish battery and happened to witness the entire charge of the Light Brigade from the receiving end.

The entire affair was a glorious stupidity.

Will M · 7th January 2021, 05:34 PM

Can you post photos of General Pavel Liprandi's sword?

Bryce · 19th January 2021, 07:08 AM

G'day Guys,
Here is the sword of Lt Edward Lavallin Puxley who served with the 4th Light Dragoons in Crimea. He arrived in Crimea after the charge. It is not maker marked, but the proved poincon is the same one I have seen on some Reeves marked swords. It is pictured above a Wilkinson of the same vintage for comparison.

Cheers,
Bryce

Jim McDougall · 19th January 2021, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryce

G'day Guys,
Here is the sword of Lt Edward Lavallin Puxley who served with the 4th Light Dragoons in Crimea. He arrived in Crimea after the charge. It is not maker marked, but the proved poincon is the same one I have seen on some Reeves marked swords. It is pictured above a Wilkinson of the same vintage for comparison.

Cheers,
Bryce

This is great Bryce!!! These sabers are always intriguing and exciting to me, probably that the three bar hilt was such an attractive design, and that it was the next light cavalry design after the 1796, the first 'official pattern'.
The design was copied in the US as the M1833 dragoon saber by Ames.

I have always understood that Wilkinson did not start using that
proof' poincon with the 'Star of Solomon' surround until post 1854 when I believe he was only beginning with officers swords. His production of other ranks swords followed.

This provenanced example of 4th dragoon officer in Crimea reveals possibly the earliest use of this feature? as the war ended in 1856.

Bryce · 19th January 2021, 08:36 PM

G'day Jim,
I think Wilkinson began using the proof disc from around 1845 when his "new" blade design was introduced. This period isn't my main area of focus, so someone more knowledgeable may be able to confirm this. Certainly they were used well before 1854. 1854 was when Wilkinson began numbering his swords. Here is the proof disc on Puxley's sword. The Wilkinson example above is pre numbering.
Cheers,
Bryce

6th January 2021, 10:01 PM	#1
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 395	Jim I've seen the Mole name on hangers circ 1800. Attached Images

19th January 2021, 07:08 AM	#5
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 189	G'day Guys, Here is the sword of Lt Edward Lavallin Puxley who served with the 4th Light Dragoons in Crimea. He arrived in Crimea after the charge. It is not maker marked, but the proved poincon is the same one I have seen on some Reeves marked swords. It is pictured above a Wilkinson of the same vintage for comparison. Cheers, Bryce Attached Images

19th January 2021, 08:36 PM	#7
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 189	G'day Jim, I think Wilkinson began using the proof disc from around 1845 when his "new" blade design was introduced. This period isn't my main area of focus, so someone more knowledgeable may be able to confirm this. Certainly they were used well before 1854. 1854 was when Wilkinson began numbering his swords. Here is the proof disc on Puxley's sword. The Wilkinson example above is pre numbering. Cheers, Bryce Attached Images

7th January 2021, 04:11 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I have a sword of General Pavel Liprandi, who was a commander of Russian forces at Balaclava. He came to inspect the just captured Turkish battery and happened to witness the entire charge of the Light Brigade from the receiving end. The entire affair was a glorious stupidity.

7th January 2021, 05:34 PM	#4
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 395	Can you post photos of General Pavel Liprandi's sword?