Another old shibriya

motan · 30th December 2020, 11:44 PM

Sorry, I meant to upload this picture

Yvain · 1st January 2021, 02:55 PM

Very nice shibriya Motan !

My brother gifted me an interesting one for Christmas that I need to show here.

Are those seals at the end of the chains on the second one ?

motan · 1st January 2021, 10:47 PM

Hi Yvain. Thanks for your response.
If you put up some pictures in this thread, I will tell you what I know about your shibriya. If relevant, I can also redirect you to some older threads on the subject. I must warn you though that good quality shibriyas, though not very valuable, are quite rare, so don't expect too much.

The second shibriya (green background) used to belong to Khanjar1 and was discussed some years ago. The rings attached to the chain are indeed seal rings of bedouin chieftains dated to around 1910, if I remember correctly.

Klop · 2nd January 2021, 12:13 AM

Hi Motan,

nice daggers. Could you also post a picture of the backside of the handles?
I'm curiuous how the rings on the pommel are attached. Looks like solid blocks of brass with a hole, maybe hammered out like rivets on the backside?

Thanks,
Eric.

Klop · 2nd January 2021, 12:18 AM

on second thought, your latest addition seems to have a U-shape bent strip (split pen) holding the ring. In that case I expect bent ends at the rear - which may be covered by backplate and thus invisible....

motan · 2nd January 2021, 09:38 PM

Hi Klop,
Of course you are right. These rings are attached with a simple split pen, which is a petty. The majority of the older dagger are quite solid, but the ring is the first thing to get lost. Several of my daggers have a hole or and old repair where the ring should be and are therefore incomplete.
In the smaller dagger I showed in the my second post, the back side of the of the pommel is nicely finished, but this is quite rare. Mostly the bent arms of the split pen are visible. See a pic in this post.

Klop · 3rd January 2021, 12:32 PM

Hi Motan,

great, thanks for the extra picture!
Yes, when carried every day it's understandable these things get damaged and also repaired again and again. Fortunately this method is cheap and could easily be fixed by just about anyone, no need to search for a dealer or send for repair :-) .

Kind regards,
Eric

30th December 2020, 11:44 PM	#1
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Sorry, I meant to upload this picture Attached Images

2nd January 2021, 09:38 PM	#6
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Klop, Of course you are right. These rings are attached with a simple split pen, which is a petty. The majority of the older dagger are quite solid, but the ring is the first thing to get lost. Several of my daggers have a hole or and old repair where the ring should be and are therefore incomplete. In the smaller dagger I showed in the my second post, the back side of the of the pommel is nicely finished, but this is quite rare. Mostly the bent arms of the split pen are visible. See a pic in this post. Attached Images

1st January 2021, 02:55 PM	#2
Yvain Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: France Posts: 179	Very nice shibriya Motan ! My brother gifted me an interesting one for Christmas that I need to show here. Are those seals at the end of the chains on the second one ?

1st January 2021, 10:47 PM	#3
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Yvain. Thanks for your response. If you put up some pictures in this thread, I will tell you what I know about your shibriya. If relevant, I can also redirect you to some older threads on the subject. I must warn you though that good quality shibriyas, though not very valuable, are quite rare, so don't expect too much. The second shibriya (green background) used to belong to Khanjar1 and was discussed some years ago. The rings attached to the chain are indeed seal rings of bedouin chieftains dated to around 1910, if I remember correctly.

2nd January 2021, 12:13 AM	#4
Klop Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 63	Hi Motan, nice daggers. Could you also post a picture of the backside of the handles? I'm curiuous how the rings on the pommel are attached. Looks like solid blocks of brass with a hole, maybe hammered out like rivets on the backside? Thanks, Eric.

2nd January 2021, 12:18 AM	#5
Klop Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 63	on second thought, your latest addition seems to have a U-shape bent strip (split pen) holding the ring. In that case I expect bent ends at the rear - which may be covered by backplate and thus invisible....

3rd January 2021, 12:32 PM	#7
Klop Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 63	Hi Motan, great, thanks for the extra picture! Yes, when carried every day it's understandable these things get damaged and also repaired again and again. Fortunately this method is cheap and could easily be fixed by just about anyone, no need to search for a dealer or send for repair :-) . Kind regards, Eric