A cup hilt sword ... atypical, for your comments.

ulfberth · 1st August 2020, 01:12 PM

That is a nice sword indeed especially the blade I to would place it as 17th C ! There is an almost identical one in the Museu Militar in Lisbon that one is described as 18th C, perhaps these are late 17th C early 18th C ? It would be interesting to find out when the first one's emerged to me this is typical Portuguese . Although I collect 16th and 17th C I would not mind having this one in my collection , perhaps Fernando will give me a call around Christmas

kind regards
Ulfberth

fernando · 1st August 2020, 07:53 PM

Thank you Filipe,
Duly noted on the further efficacy of waved blades. So true that i favor 'forensics' quicker than 'esoterics'. Also the author of AS ARMAS e OS BARÕES prefers to explain the purpose of these blades as having a multiple cutting area. In fact he shows three of such examples in his book which, together with a couple i know that exist in a fellow collector's collection, make me infer that these blades were more directed to thrusting efficiency than to please the Gods. But of course that could have taken place in a much earlier period. Interesting also to notice that more than one technique was used to shape tese flaming blades. As i once heard, the undulations may be applied by either filing the steel after the blade is made or make them while forging it.

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fernando · 1st August 2020, 08:11 PM

Thank you so much for the kind words, Dirk. And don't loose hope; Christmas is not so far away ... neither is Belgium

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Thank you also for posting that nice sword in the Museu Militar. Oh, i wish i could read the inscription on the blade. Do you have a picture with a higher resolution ?

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ulfberth · 1st August 2020, 08:26 PM

Sure Fernando, here you go

fernando · 1st August 2020, 09:12 PM

Thank you so much, Dirk,
No doubt this one is from the 18th century, consistent with the King mentioned in the caption (Dom Jão V, reigned 1706-1750). A precious detail; the grip is covered with tressed horsehair.

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ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	That is a nice sword indeed especially the blade I to would place it as 17th C ! There is an almost identical one in the Museu Militar in Lisbon that one is described as 18th C, perhaps these are late 17th C early 18th C ? It would be interesting to find out when the first one's emerged to me this is typical Portuguese . Although I collect 16th and 17th C I would not mind having this one in my collection , perhaps Fernando will give me a call around Christmas kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

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fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Filipe, Duly noted on the further efficacy of waved blades. So true that i favor 'forensics' quicker than 'esoterics'. Also the author of AS ARMAS e OS BARÕES prefers to explain the purpose of these blades as having a multiple cutting area. In fact he shows three of such examples in his book which, together with a couple i know that exist in a fellow collector's collection, make me infer that these blades were more directed to thrusting efficiency than to please the Gods. But of course that could have taken place in a much earlier period. Interesting also to notice that more than one technique was used to shape tese flaming blades. As i once heard, the undulations may be applied by either filing the steel after the blade is made or make them while forging it. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 1st August 2020 at 09:24 PM.

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fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	correction Thank you so much for the kind words, Dirk. And don't loose hope; Christmas is not so far away ... neither is Belgium . Thank you also for posting that nice sword in the Museu Militar. Oh, i wish i could read the inscription on the blade. Do you have a picture with a higher resolution ? . Last edited by fernando; 1st August 2020 at 09:25 PM.

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ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	Sure Fernando, here you go Attached Images

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fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you so much, Dirk, No doubt this one is from the 18th century, consistent with the King mentioned in the caption (Dom Jão V, reigned 1706-1750). A precious detail; the grip is covered with tressed horsehair.