New Keris Owner

scatteredminds · 16th May 2006, 06:08 PM

Wow...thanks for all the encouraging help. And I really appreciate the [point about the money...it's spent and I love the keris. I am very excited to be part of this forum and I will stick around to sit at the feet of experts and learn a lot. My goal is to send you very detailed and clear pictures of the whole keris. As for my sister. She is a very savvy person who lived in the area for 10 years. She would have had her driver with her who would not have sent her to a tourist trap. She would have made sure the guard and the piece were true. And she absolutely saw the keris stand on it's tip without support. I love this place ! talk to you soon.

nechesh · 16th May 2006, 06:41 PM

I have a feeling that when we see a better picture of this keris the pamor might turn out to be "golden rain" or some variation there of.

I also doubt you've got an "evil" keris there.

If the keris pleases you very little else matters.

Henk · 16th May 2006, 07:09 PM

Welcome to the forum Scatteredminds.

I join the question for more and better pictures. First impression is a lovely keris and certainly not a tourist toy.
Aging a keris blade is very difficult, but 75 to 100 years is a very good possibility.

Pamor beras or wos wutah is at he moment the best guess but like Nechesh said who knows what we see on a sharp picture. The scabbard has wrangka gayaman, Yogjakarta style, the dress for daily use. If correct the ukiran is Yogjakarta style too.

Wished I had a sister coming up with such a keris.

kai · 16th May 2006, 10:12 PM

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And she absolutely saw the keris stand on it's tip without support.

That's a very common stunt which can be reproduced with a little practise - more physics than magic involved here...

It seems like you're already hooked to the keris world - welcome! You'll find loads of info in the archives (don't overlook the old forum even though some pics are now missing).

Regards,
Kai

scatteredminds · 17th May 2006, 03:04 AM

I talked with my sister tonight. She told me the price she paid for the Keris. Either I have an unbelievable sword that is 100 years old and was worth the price or she got ripped off big time. I am in the process of getting some very clear pictures of all sections of the keris and will post them tomorrow. I have also emailed someone at a major university in my city to get some more help on this blade. I love the keris but $500.00u.s. is a lot to pay for a blade.

Rick · 17th May 2006, 03:54 AM

Here's my take on this .

The money has been spent ; you like the keris . Whether she was had or not is a moot point at this stage in the game .

Move past the money thing and concentrate on becoming an astute keris collector .

Also realise that she must love you a lot to drop five C's on a gift to make you happy.

scatteredminds · 17th May 2006, 04:04 AM

Your right Rick. Let the learning begin!

Alam Shah · 17th May 2006, 05:00 AM

Welcome scatteredminds,

Like the rest of the gang, awaiting for clearer pictures.

Kai,
Afaik, blade standing on it's tip have 2 methods. The physics method, like you mentioned, balancing on its tip with no magic required and the esoteric method supposedly from horizontal position rising up to a vertical position.

Btw, congrats Kai on your new bahari... a lovely blade.

scatteredminds,
If your sister witnessed the esoteric method, then esoterically speaking, the blade might have been 'imbued' to enable it to stand. This is normally done to demonstrate that the blade had been given supernatural capabilities. Referenced from Bambang Hasrinuksmo's book, it is said that the so-called 'imbued power' might be for a specific purpose.

Now, for an example of the balancing act method, follow the link.
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

Hope it helps. Btw, the keris looks like a good keris to me.

kai · 17th May 2006, 11:33 AM

Hello Alam Shah,

Quote:

Afaik, blade standing on it's tip have 2 methods. The physics method, like you mentioned, balancing on its tip with no magic required and the esoteric method supposedly from horizontal position rising up to a vertical position.

So, has anyone of the esteemed forumites witnessed that esoteric method in action?

Quote:

Btw, congrats Kai on your new bahari... a lovely blade.

Thanks! I'm kinda sorry that Adni and I were so close. (OTOH, I've been overbid by a few cents once...)

BTW, you also got a great deal on that MK patrem, I think...

Please post pics once it arrives!

Regards,
Kai

17th May 2006, 05:00 AM	#8
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Standing/Balancing keris... Welcome scatteredminds, Like the rest of the gang, awaiting for clearer pictures. Kai, Afaik, blade standing on it's tip have 2 methods. The physics method, like you mentioned, balancing on its tip with no magic required and the esoteric method supposedly from horizontal position rising up to a vertical position. Btw, congrats Kai on your new bahari... a lovely blade. scatteredminds, If your sister witnessed the esoteric method, then esoterically speaking, the blade might have been 'imbued' to enable it to stand. This is normally done to demonstrate that the blade had been given supernatural capabilities. Referenced from Bambang Hasrinuksmo's book, it is said that the so-called 'imbued power' might be for a specific purpose. Now, for an example of the balancing act method, follow the link. http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php Hope it helps. Btw, the keris looks like a good keris to me. Last edited by Alam Shah; 17th May 2006 at 07:52 AM.

16th May 2006, 06:08 PM	#1
scatteredminds Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8	Wow...thanks for all the encouraging help. And I really appreciate the [point about the money...it's spent and I love the keris. I am very excited to be part of this forum and I will stick around to sit at the feet of experts and learn a lot. My goal is to send you very detailed and clear pictures of the whole keris. As for my sister. She is a very savvy person who lived in the area for 10 years. She would have had her driver with her who would not have sent her to a tourist trap. She would have made sure the guard and the piece were true. And she absolutely saw the keris stand on it's tip without support. I love this place ! talk to you soon.

16th May 2006, 06:41 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I have a feeling that when we see a better picture of this keris the pamor might turn out to be "golden rain" or some variation there of. I also doubt you've got an "evil" keris there. If the keris pleases you very little else matters.

16th May 2006, 07:09 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Welcome to the forum Scatteredminds. I join the question for more and better pictures. First impression is a lovely keris and certainly not a tourist toy. Aging a keris blade is very difficult, but 75 to 100 years is a very good possibility. Pamor beras or wos wutah is at he moment the best guess but like Nechesh said who knows what we see on a sharp picture. The scabbard has wrangka gayaman, Yogjakarta style, the dress for daily use. If correct the ukiran is Yogjakarta style too. Wished I had a sister coming up with such a keris.

17th May 2006, 03:04 AM	#5
scatteredminds Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8	I talked with my sister tonight. She told me the price she paid for the Keris. Either I have an unbelievable sword that is 100 years old and was worth the price or she got ripped off big time. I am in the process of getting some very clear pictures of all sections of the keris and will post them tomorrow. I have also emailed someone at a major university in my city to get some more help on this blade. I love the keris but $500.00u.s. is a lot to pay for a blade.

17th May 2006, 03:54 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,375	Here's my take on this . The money has been spent ; you like the keris . Whether she was had or not is a moot point at this stage in the game . Move past the money thing and concentrate on becoming an astute keris collector . Also realise that she must love you a lot to drop five C's on a gift to make you happy.

17th May 2006, 04:04 AM	#7
scatteredminds Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8	Your right Rick. Let the learning begin!