Shotley Bridge swordmakers

laurenbrown90uk · 8th June 2020, 10:21 PM

Sorry to jump on a old thread but it's been lovely to read. I'm keen to talk to you all and hopefully learn about my family. Adam oley who came from Germany is my 7x great grandfather. I'm doing alot of work on my family tree and find it all fascinating. I'm hoping to be able to learn more about them. I hope this is OK to post. I read a legend about the sword battle and was wondering if anyone knows more about the legend. Some say it was a William oley, some say a Robert oley. The only robert oley I can find evidence for is my 5x great grandfather. He was son of John oley who was son of the Adam ey who came from Germany. Thanks for.Reading

urbanspaceman · 26th June 2020, 08:29 PM

Hi. Lauren I sent you a private message with my email address so I could help you with your Oley search but you did not respond or did not receive.
Let me know if you wish to commune.

Peter Hudson · 2nd October 2023, 11:43 PM

Hi Kieth ... Before you started to unpack the details of this work Forum had nothing in its archives about this subject. The Swordmakers of Shotley Bridge turns out to be a cornerstone and key to the development of English Swords. Long may it continue to amaze and impress readers and followers of this fine work.

Its time we got together again for lunch at the Crown and Crossed Swords...

Regards, Peter Hudson.

Peter Hudson · 3rd October 2023, 05:45 PM

German Sword-Smiths in Shotley Bridge By Keith Fisher

To refresh readers on Keiths amazing book on this important Swordmaker

please see https://shotleybridgevillagetrust.co...hotley-bridge/

This is a free illustration of this key sword maker at your fingertips...

Regards, Peter Hudson.

Peter Hudson · 4th November 2023, 01:34 PM

Keith, As you know the lintel above 44 WOOD STREET vanished in the late 50s with the demolition of all the industrial /swordmakers houses. My question is that the inscription above the door mentioned a date of 1591 and fortunately you have that in your book. Was this an important date? or is it a Psalm. i.e. the 91st Psalm? 15.91

Regards Peter Hudson.

Peter Hudson · 4th November 2023, 01:44 PM

Yesterday we spoke about other buildings near The Crown and Crossed Swords.

As you know this was two buildings notably The Crown and Crossed Swords originally called The Swords and the next door Commercial Hotel.

There were a few other some quite substantial dwellings between the car park and the narrower road (in those earlier days) which were overlooking the Bridge Inn ..These were quite substantial houses and would have given the feeling of a centre village format more like a village square. I have a couple of pictures to illustrate that but the system isnt playing... so I will try a web reference... .

urbanspaceman · 4th November 2023, 01:47 PM

Hi Peter. The only foto we have of the lintel is very poor and the 6 looks like a 5.
It was 1691 when the building was dedicated.
There was another lintel recorded prior to it being lost and that includes a quote from Psalms:

DEUTSCHLAND IST UNEVER VATTERLANDS
SOLINGEN IST DIE STADT VERLASSEN
HERR BEHUT DEINEN AUSGANG
UND EINGANG

GERMANY IS OUR FATHERLAND
SOLINGEN IS THE TOWN FORSAKEN
LORD PROTECT YOUR ENTRY
AND EXIT

"The last line is taken from Psalm 121, verse 8:"
"The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in
from this time forth and even for evermore."

Peter Hudson · 4th November 2023, 02:35 PM

Ah yes I see it on page77 of your book... Got that... The date of first Cutlers Hall dedicated by Adam Oley in Wood Street.. Thanks...

I cannot upload the pictures but you have it also outlined relating to the variety of names applied to The Crown and Crossed Swords and the next door Commercial Inn at page 78 of your book. At some point it became Commercial Hotel....Those buildings near the carpark are all disappeared now and the shops in the village centre have changed hands several times... I agree that the Wilsons shop was a hardware shop..and you know my views on the real reason that I reckon the Germans chose the Shotley Bridge location and unrelated to any of the previous theories. If they could have fitted a moat and searchlights around it Im sure they would have done so..

urbanspaceman · 4th November 2023, 01:51 PM

That is a very welcome issue.
I look forward to seeing those fotos.

26th June 2020, 08:29 PM	#2
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 681	response Hi. Lauren I sent you a private message with my email address so I could help you with your Oley search but you did not respond or did not receive. Let me know if you wish to commune.

2nd October 2023, 11:43 PM	#3
Peter Hudson Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 320	This is such an important thread.... Hi Kieth ... Before you started to unpack the details of this work Forum had nothing in its archives about this subject. The Swordmakers of Shotley Bridge turns out to be a cornerstone and key to the development of English Swords. Long may it continue to amaze and impress readers and followers of this fine work. Its time we got together again for lunch at the Crown and Crossed Swords... Regards, Peter Hudson.

3rd October 2023, 05:45 PM	#4
Peter Hudson Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 320	German Sword-Smiths in Shotley Bridge By Keith Fisher To refresh readers on Keiths amazing book on this important Swordmaker please see https://shotleybridgevillagetrust.co...hotley-bridge/ This is a free illustration of this key sword maker at your fingertips... Regards, Peter Hudson. Last edited by Peter Hudson; 3rd October 2023 at 05:49 PM. Reason: aethbgh

4th November 2023, 01:34 PM	#5
Peter Hudson Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 320	The stone lintel above number 44 Wood Street. Keith, As you know the lintel above 44 WOOD STREET vanished in the late 50s with the demolition of all the industrial /swordmakers houses. My question is that the inscription above the door mentioned a date of 1591 and fortunately you have that in your book. Was this an important date? or is it a Psalm. i.e. the 91st Psalm? 15.91 Regards Peter Hudson.

4th November 2023, 01:44 PM	#6
Peter Hudson Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 320	Other building now vanished near The Crown and Crossed Swords. Yesterday we spoke about other buildings near The Crown and Crossed Swords. As you know this was two buildings notably The Crown and Crossed Swords originally called The Swords and the next door Commercial Hotel. There were a few other some quite substantial dwellings between the car park and the narrower road (in those earlier days) which were overlooking the Bridge Inn ..These were quite substantial houses and would have given the feeling of a centre village format more like a village square. I have a couple of pictures to illustrate that but the system isnt playing... so I will try a web reference... .

8th June 2020, 10:21 PM	#1
laurenbrown90uk Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 2	Sorry to jump on a old thread but it's been lovely to read. I'm keen to talk to you all and hopefully learn about my family. Adam oley who came from Germany is my 7x great grandfather. I'm doing alot of work on my family tree and find it all fascinating. I'm hoping to be able to learn more about them. I hope this is OK to post. I read a legend about the sword battle and was wondering if anyone knows more about the legend. Some say it was a William oley, some say a Robert oley. The only robert oley I can find evidence for is my 5x great grandfather. He was son of John oley who was son of the Adam ey who came from Germany. Thanks for.Reading

4th November 2023, 01:47 PM	#7
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 681	Lintel date Hi Peter. The only foto we have of the lintel is very poor and the 6 looks like a 5. It was 1691 when the building was dedicated. There was another lintel recorded prior to it being lost and that includes a quote from Psalms: DEUTSCHLAND IST UNEVER VATTERLANDS SOLINGEN IST DIE STADT VERLASSEN HERR BEHUT DEINEN AUSGANG UND EINGANG GERMANY IS OUR FATHERLAND SOLINGEN IS THE TOWN FORSAKEN LORD PROTECT YOUR ENTRY AND EXIT "The last line is taken from Psalm 121, verse 8:" "The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth and even for evermore."

4th November 2023, 02:35 PM	#8
Peter Hudson Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 320	1691 Ah yes I see it on page77 of your book... Got that... The date of first Cutlers Hall dedicated by Adam Oley in Wood Street.. Thanks... I cannot upload the pictures but you have it also outlined relating to the variety of names applied to The Crown and Crossed Swords and the next door Commercial Inn at page 78 of your book. At some point it became Commercial Hotel....Those buildings near the carpark are all disappeared now and the shops in the village centre have changed hands several times... I agree that the Wilsons shop was a hardware shop..and you know my views on the real reason that I reckon the Germans chose the Shotley Bridge location and unrelated to any of the previous theories. If they could have fitted a moat and searchlights around it Im sure they would have done so..

4th November 2023, 01:51 PM	#9
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 681	pictures That is a very welcome issue. I look forward to seeing those fotos.