Italian dagger 17th century??

Sajen · 3rd May 2020, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Definitely not 17 century.

This is a 19th century dagger.

Thank you Marius, exactly what I thought!

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

I am also inclined to say it is Spanish but it is more a hunch than educated oppinion.

Could it be French? This was my guess?

Regards,
Detlef

mariusgmioc · 3rd May 2020, 10:45 AM

It could be French but the type of construction, materials and etching on the blade are somehow consistent with 19th century Toledo factory works.

Yet, it is of a rather classic shape that would be very difficult to precisely locate.

On second thoughts, noticing the small size of the dagger, this might be what is called "prostitute dagger." You may Google this term for images and will see some similar ones but also with disputable origins.

But let's hope that some forum colleagues know better!

Sajen · 3rd May 2020, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

On second thoughts, noticing the small size of the dagger, this might be what is called "prostitute dagger." You may Google this term for images and will see some similar ones but also with disputable origins.

Hello Marius,

This is exactly what I have had in mind!

Regards,
Detlef

BUCC_Guy · 3rd May 2020, 01:38 PM

I thought it was a naval dirk, but that small size would indicate a prostitute’s dagger.

Sajen · 3rd May 2020, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BUCC_Guy

I thought it was a naval dirk, but that small size would indicate a prostitute’s dagger.

Hello BUCC_Guy,

I am not an expert by naval dirks but can't them similar small? Look for example this beauty which get sold by ebay recently: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-GAR...p2047675.l2557 It's with 8,25" (approx. 21 cm) a little bit smaller as the dagger in question.

Regards,
Detlef

mariusgmioc · 3rd May 2020, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello BUCC_Guy,

I am not an expert by naval dirks but can't them similar small? Look for example this beauty which get sold by ebay recently: https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-GAR...p2047675.l2557 It's with 8,25" (approx. 21 cm) a little bit smaller as the dagger in question.

Regards,
Detlef

Hello Detlef,

The EBay description says "Garter" dagger/dirk. Garter meaning Strumpfband in German, so again pointing towards "prostitute dagger"...

Dirk is nothing but a longer straight dagger.

Sajen · 3rd May 2020, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello Detlef,

The EBay description says "Garter" dagger/dirk. Garter meaning Strumpfband in German, so again pointing towards "prostitute dagger"...

Dirk is nothing but a longer straight dagger.

Hello Marius,

You never should give something to ebay descriptions or auction house descriptions (see for example the description from the auction house for the example in question)!

And of course I know what garter dagger mean!

Have a look to this older thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=naval+dirk

Have special a look to the posted picture from "Small Arms of the Sea Services" by Robert H. Rankin, see attachment. The dagger by the ebay auction was without doubt a naval dirk.

Best regards,
Detlef

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mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	It could be French but the type of construction, materials and etching on the blade are somehow consistent with 19th century Toledo factory works. Yet, it is of a rather classic shape that would be very difficult to precisely locate. On second thoughts, noticing the small size of the dagger, this might be what is called "prostitute dagger." You may Google this term for images and will see some similar ones but also with disputable origins. But let's hope that some forum colleagues know better! Attached Images Last edited by mariusgmioc; 3rd May 2020 at 11:04 AM.

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BUCC_Guy Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 52	I thought it was a naval dirk, but that small size would indicate a prostitute’s dagger.