I know my Pappenheims...

shayde78 · 24th March 2020, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Much more when you bought as a reproduction

AGREED!

So, that got me thinking. With this gem being part of a larger lot, I wonder if the other items at all match the item we've been discussing.

Below is a picture of the whole lot (acquired for less than the cost of 5 tanks of petrol - which if I work from home for 3 weeks due to COVID-19, I will come out ahead of the game). I'm particularly curious about the rapier blade and hilt, and the brass hilted small sword. These are the actual auction pictures.

ulfberth · 24th March 2020, 02:04 PM

I would love to see the lot , it would be amazing if they are all good pieces, but these things do happen
Perhaps you're on a lucky strike !

ulfberth · 24th March 2020, 02:09 PM

the first one is a 20th c decoration sword made after Tizona the sword of El Cid.
Than the magnificent Pappenheimer , after that im not sure it could be a freemason or other type of fraternity sword the design looks a bit like a French infantery officers sword of the 19th C , but its not that. The last one looks like an Original blade of a small sword.

fernando · 24th March 2020, 02:12 PM

The 'Tizona' on the top is surely decorative stuff.
All others look good ... to me.

ulfberth · 24th March 2020, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

The 'Tizona' on the top is surely decorative stuff.
All others look good ... to me.

Yes I agree , it might be interesting to find out more about the gilded sword this is 19th C but not my field.

ulfberth · 24th March 2020, 03:41 PM

here is a similar one it sold on guns international and was described as : Antique FRATERNAL Ceremonial SWORD

shayde78 · 24th March 2020, 06:53 PM

Well done, Dirk! That is very similar other than a few cosmetic embellishments.
As for the bare bade, it seems more rapier length, albeit with a missing tip. At least, it is longer that the 18th century smallsword I have in my collection. I haven't found any markings on it, but will let you know if I find any.

Thanks both!

fernando · 25th March 2020, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shayde78

... As for the bare blade, it seems more rapier length, albeit with a missing tip...

Yes, it sure does. Can you tell us its length ... excluding the tang ?

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Originally Posted by shayde78

...At least, it is longer that the 18th century smallsword I have in my collection...

Sure thing; it could well be from the XVII century.

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Originally Posted by shayde78

... I haven't found any markings on it, but will let you know if I find any...

Look hard; some times there are (rather faded) inscriptions on these.

This blade could (could) have been mounted on a cup hilt sword, although that grip wrapping style is not so usual seen ... i guess; as also this could have been from a different sord.

shayde78 · 26th March 2020, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

The 'Tizona' on the top is surely decorative stuff.
All others look good ... to me.

The more I think about it, the Tizona might be my favorite piece, in a way. I know it gave me pause that the whole lot were reproductions. I suspect that is why the only other bidder bowed out when they did. So, I owe a debt of gratitude to that humble 'decoration'.

fernando · 26th March 2020, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shayde78

The more I think about it, the Tizona might be my favorite piece, in a way. I know it gave me pause that the whole lot were reproductions. I suspect that is why the only other bidder bowed out when they did. So, I owe a debt of gratitude to that humble 'decoration'.

Some guys have all the luck

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24th March 2020, 03:41 PM	#6
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	here is a similar one it sold on guns international and was described as : Antique FRATERNAL Ceremonial SWORD Attached Images

24th March 2020, 02:04 PM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	I would love to see the lot , it would be amazing if they are all good pieces, but these things do happen Perhaps you're on a lucky strike !

24th March 2020, 02:09 PM	#3
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	the first one is a 20th c decoration sword made after Tizona the sword of El Cid. Than the magnificent Pappenheimer , after that im not sure it could be a freemason or other type of fraternity sword the design looks a bit like a French infantery officers sword of the 19th C , but its not that. The last one looks like an Original blade of a small sword.

24th March 2020, 02:12 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	The 'Tizona' on the top is surely decorative stuff. All others look good ... to me.

24th March 2020, 06:53 PM	#7
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Well done, Dirk! That is very similar other than a few cosmetic embellishments. As for the bare bade, it seems more rapier length, albeit with a missing tip. At least, it is longer that the 18th century smallsword I have in my collection. I haven't found any markings on it, but will let you know if I find any. Thanks both!