I know my Pappenheims...

fernando · 23rd March 2020, 12:35 PM

Can you make it KEVELAER ?
There is a German town called Kevelaer ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevelaer
Could the inscription be a religious dedication ?

Nonsense, of course

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ulfberth · 23rd March 2020, 01:55 PM

It looks like CLEMENS KEULLER on the ricasso , spelling was phonetic in this period and most people could not write.
We also know that the letter U was mostly engraved or struck as V.
So I think there is a good chance it is on one side " clemen(s)" and on the other side "keuller" CLEMENS KEULLER . Not all sword / rapier blades have markings, so you have this as a plus. ( from European makers of edged weapons by Staffan Kinman )

fernando · 23rd March 2020, 02:36 PM

Bravo, Dirk; brilliant

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shayde78 · 23rd March 2020, 10:15 PM

Well done! Thank you so much. this is exciting to have a piece by a known maker.

Thank you for providing resources to keep digging through. Like I said, this is proving to be fun

fernando · 24th March 2020, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shayde78

... this is exciting to have a piece by a known maker.

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Much more when you bought as a reproduction

shayde78 · 24th March 2020, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Much more when you bought as a reproduction

AGREED!

So, that got me thinking. With this gem being part of a larger lot, I wonder if the other items at all match the item we've been discussing.

Below is a picture of the whole lot (acquired for less than the cost of 5 tanks of petrol - which if I work from home for 3 weeks due to COVID-19, I will come out ahead of the game). I'm particularly curious about the rapier blade and hilt, and the brass hilted small sword. These are the actual auction pictures.

ulfberth · 24th March 2020, 02:04 PM

I would love to see the lot , it would be amazing if they are all good pieces, but these things do happen
Perhaps you're on a lucky strike !

23rd March 2020, 12:35 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Can you make it KEVELAER ? There is a German town called Kevelaer ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevelaer Could the inscription be a religious dedication ? Nonsense, of course . . Last edited by fernando; 23rd March 2020 at 01:07 PM.

23rd March 2020, 01:55 PM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	It looks like CLEMENS KEULLER on the ricasso , spelling was phonetic in this period and most people could not write. We also know that the letter U was mostly engraved or struck as V. So I think there is a good chance it is on one side " clemen(s)" and on the other side "keuller" CLEMENS KEULLER . Not all sword / rapier blades have markings, so you have this as a plus. ( from European makers of edged weapons by Staffan Kinman ) Attached Images

23rd March 2020, 02:36 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Bravo, Dirk; brilliant .

23rd March 2020, 10:15 PM	#4
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Well done! Thank you so much. this is exciting to have a piece by a known maker. Thank you for providing resources to keep digging through. Like I said, this is proving to be fun

24th March 2020, 02:04 PM	#7
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	I would love to see the lot , it would be amazing if they are all good pieces, but these things do happen Perhaps you're on a lucky strike !