Powder horn and unidentified object

AHorsa · 15th March 2020, 05:14 PM

Hi Fernando,

thanks for the input. The thikness of the iron part is max. 1,3cm, the lion is max. 1,5cm

Cheers
Andreas

rickystl · 16th March 2020, 08:34 AM

Hi Andreas

The flask looks to be a late 16th to early 17th Century staghorn type poeder flask. Although the metal parts are missing and the engraving seems a bit crude. Possibly done by an amature/hobbist on their first attempt. Here is a Forum Link from about 8 years ago that will give you a better idea of it's origins with comment from Matchlock. I was very fortunate to receive his comments.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14271

The length of that rod would be about correct for many pistols. So it could be a Suma as Fernando mentions - with a spike end to double as a stabbing point in a back-up situation. Just my guess.

Rick

AHorsa · 17th March 2020, 12:18 AM

Hi Rick,

thanks for the link to the very interesting thread. Great to see the variety of examples of this staghorn flasks. Well, the artist of my one wasn´t the gifted one. That poor chap also has a broken sword

I am still not sure about the "ramrod". Suma might be a possibility, but browsing the web I don´t have the feeling that it is one. But it is absolutely not my field...

Best regards
Andreas

Richard G · 17th March 2020, 03:31 PM

Could it be something as mundane as a hefty meat skewer?
Regards
Richard

fernando · 17th March 2020, 03:41 PM

Tell me the place where they serve meat with these skewers, so that i can take out one hidden under my jacket

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fernando · 17th March 2020, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AHorsa

... Suma might be a possibility, but browsing the web I don´t have the feeling that it is one...

The Suma approach was only a manner to expand on the (any) ram rod possibility.

Richard G · 18th March 2020, 12:16 PM

These?

fernando · 18th March 2020, 02:02 PM

Now, i am largely convinced, Richard

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AHorsa · 18th May 2023, 11:48 AM

I´d like to push up this thread again, as this rod is still a mistery to me. Maybe meanwhile someone has an idea what it could have been.
I am convinced, that the brass animal part was to mush something, as its "nose" seem. Any ideas appreciated.

Kind regards
Andreas

BBJW · 18th May 2023, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Andreas

The flask looks to be a late 16th to early 17th Century staghorn type poeder flask. Although the metal parts are missing and the engraving seems a bit crude. Possibly done by an amature/hobbist on their first attempt. Here is a Forum Link from about 8 years ago that will give you a better idea of it's origins with comment from Matchlock. I was very fortunate to receive his comments.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14271

The length of that rod would be about correct for many pistols. So it could be a Suma as Fernando mentions - with a spike end to double as a stabbing point in a back-up situation. Just my guess.

Rick

Agreed.--bbjw

18th March 2020, 12:16 PM	#7
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18th May 2023, 11:48 AM	#9
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 378	I´d like to push up this thread again, as this rod is still a mistery to me. Maybe meanwhile someone has an idea what it could have been. I am convinced, that the brass animal part was to mush something, as its "nose" seem. Any ideas appreciated. Kind regards Andreas Attached Images

15th March 2020, 05:14 PM	#1
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 378	Hi Fernando, thanks for the input. The thikness of the iron part is max. 1,3cm, the lion is max. 1,5cm Cheers Andreas

16th March 2020, 08:34 AM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Andreas The flask looks to be a late 16th to early 17th Century staghorn type poeder flask. Although the metal parts are missing and the engraving seems a bit crude. Possibly done by an amature/hobbist on their first attempt. Here is a Forum Link from about 8 years ago that will give you a better idea of it's origins with comment from Matchlock. I was very fortunate to receive his comments. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14271 The length of that rod would be about correct for many pistols. So it could be a Suma as Fernando mentions - with a spike end to double as a stabbing point in a back-up situation. Just my guess. Rick

17th March 2020, 12:18 AM	#3
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 378	Hi Rick, thanks for the link to the very interesting thread. Great to see the variety of examples of this staghorn flasks. Well, the artist of my one wasn´t the gifted one. That poor chap also has a broken sword I am still not sure about the "ramrod". Suma might be a possibility, but browsing the web I don´t have the feeling that it is one. But it is absolutely not my field... Best regards Andreas

17th March 2020, 03:31 PM	#4
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 415	Could it be something as mundane as a hefty meat skewer? Regards Richard

17th March 2020, 03:41 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Tell me the place where they serve meat with these skewers, so that i can take out one hidden under my jacket .

18th March 2020, 02:02 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Now, i am largely convinced, Richard .