Powder horn and unidentified object

adrian · 12th March 2020, 09:10 PM

That spike/rod is too large in diameter to enter the vent of an artillery piece.

AHorsa · 14th March 2020, 03:52 PM

Thanks for the comments! Anyone else an idea about this piece?

BAW · 15th March 2020, 12:00 AM

The shape of the unknown object is very similar to a butchers' steel for sharpening knives.

AHorsa · 15th March 2020, 12:29 PM

I think for a butcher´s steel the lion (which tahn would be the hilt) is too small. Also the shape of the lion´s "noise" wouldn´t make sens then, as it semms to be supposed to push something.

fernando · 15th March 2020, 01:27 PM

Why descarding the ramrod possibility, guys ?
In some cultures the ramrod is a separate device, often intrincate and highly decorated. You take the Turkish "Suma", for one (Stone page 587).
Say Andreas, which is the thickness of that rod you are showing us?

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AHorsa · 15th March 2020, 05:14 PM

Hi Fernando,

thanks for the input. The thikness of the iron part is max. 1,3cm, the lion is max. 1,5cm

Cheers
Andreas

rickystl · 16th March 2020, 08:34 AM

Hi Andreas

The flask looks to be a late 16th to early 17th Century staghorn type poeder flask. Although the metal parts are missing and the engraving seems a bit crude. Possibly done by an amature/hobbist on their first attempt. Here is a Forum Link from about 8 years ago that will give you a better idea of it's origins with comment from Matchlock. I was very fortunate to receive his comments.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14271

The length of that rod would be about correct for many pistols. So it could be a Suma as Fernando mentions - with a spike end to double as a stabbing point in a back-up situation. Just my guess.

Rick

15th March 2020, 01:27 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Why descarding the ramrod possibility, guys ? In some cultures the ramrod is a separate device, often intrincate and highly decorated. You take the Turkish "Suma", for one (Stone page 587). Say Andreas, which is the thickness of that rod you are showing us? . Attached Images

12th March 2020, 09:10 PM	#1
adrian Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 135	That spike/rod is too large in diameter to enter the vent of an artillery piece.

14th March 2020, 03:52 PM	#2
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 378	Thanks for the comments! Anyone else an idea about this piece?

15th March 2020, 12:00 AM	#3
BAW Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 6	The shape of the unknown object is very similar to a butchers' steel for sharpening knives.

15th March 2020, 12:29 PM	#4
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 378	I think for a butcher´s steel the lion (which tahn would be the hilt) is too small. Also the shape of the lion´s "noise" wouldn´t make sens then, as it semms to be supposed to push something.

15th March 2020, 05:14 PM	#6
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 378	Hi Fernando, thanks for the input. The thikness of the iron part is max. 1,3cm, the lion is max. 1,5cm Cheers Andreas

16th March 2020, 08:34 AM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Andreas The flask looks to be a late 16th to early 17th Century staghorn type poeder flask. Although the metal parts are missing and the engraving seems a bit crude. Possibly done by an amature/hobbist on their first attempt. Here is a Forum Link from about 8 years ago that will give you a better idea of it's origins with comment from Matchlock. I was very fortunate to receive his comments. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14271 The length of that rod would be about correct for many pistols. So it could be a Suma as Fernando mentions - with a spike end to double as a stabbing point in a back-up situation. Just my guess. Rick