Closed helmet circa 1630

[Lansquenet59]

Hello everyone, for my first presentation, here is a munition closed helmet, around 1630, it is made in two parts with a simple visor. The closure hooks are in good condition. It is a beautiful piece without modifications or restorations. Probably worn by a Thirty Year War rider.
If anyone has ever encountered a similar model?
(Sorry if my English is not perfect, I used google translation)

[fernando]

Bonjour Lansquenet; bienvenue sur le forum .
To my non expert eyes, this not being the helmet of a noble knight, sure is an excelent genuine example for combat.

[Lansquenet59]

Thank you Fernando, yes I think the same thing as you. Simple and effective for the troop in combat.

[David R]

Personally I have a real liking, and even affection for the simpler munitions style arms and armour.... The pieces that went into battle on warriors, as opposed to being worn on the privileged individuals who sent them there.

[M ELEY]

I'm in total agreement with David and Fernando. What a great piece! The 'munitions grade' pieces saw combat, rugged conditions, weathering and really lived the history of the moment! I feel the same way about weapons-

[Lansquenet59]

Yes that's what's interesting. I have another model that I will present to you soon.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Lansquenet59

Yes that's what's interesting. I have another model that I will present to you soon.

Like a war hat ? .

[Lansquenet59]

Ah yes that of the musket, yes I will also present it. One at a time, with pleasure.

[Kmaddock]

Hi. Lansquenet

I know nothing about either of your items you have recently posted but I do admire your taste and would like to extend a warm welcome to our little patch of the internet.
Kind regards
Ken

[Lansquenet59]

Thank you Ken, it's nice to find a forum with passionate people about this era and its relics!

[Cerjak]

This helmet has a very unusual visor, certainly a later addition.

[Lansquenet59]

It is the original visor. Everything is very homogeneous. I had already seen the identical model, but I no longer know where. Closed helmets sometimes have unique features.

[Cerjak]

The visor covers the front of the skull, and is embossed to fit the comb, but never I have seen such crude work.
This feature is never seen on close helmet even of munition grade quality.

[Lansquenet59]

I understand, however, it is not because this model has never been seen, that it never existed. It may be an adaptation of the time, because it remains functional. I found an identical model, as a closed funeral helmet in a church. I think mine is not funeral, no holes anywhere.
(Image source: https://www.pinterest.fr/jamesbshannon7/funerary-helms/)

[Cerjak]

This helmet said to be from Sir Thomas Coppin of Markyate funerary achievement has a two pieces visor. ( fig 1573 p154 cripps-day)

[Lansquenet59]

Thanks for the information, I thought it was the same.

[vilhelmsson]

Originally Posted by Cerjak

This helmet said to be from Sir Thomas Coppin of Markyate funerary achievement has a two pieces visor. ( fig 1573 p154 cripps-day)

Cerjak, in your experience, are two piece visors less common on more modern helmets, are they more common on older earlier helmets, or is this just pointed out as a feature that differentiates Lansquenet's helmet from the photo posted above?

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by vilhelmsson

Cerjak, in your experience, are two piece visors less common on more modern helmets, are they more common on older earlier helmets, or is this just pointed out as a feature that differentiates Lansquenet's helmet from the photo posted above?

It depends on period ,country and fashion the Savoyard helmets and Maximilian helmet are mostly with one piece visor but cuirassiers helm from the early 17th and European heavy field helmets from 1550- 1590 are mostly iwith separate ventail and visor.. also on cuirassiet helmets when in one piece visor always accompanied of a peak pivoted at the sides of the skull.