Persian (?) shamshir.

mariusgmioc · 25th February 2020, 11:44 AM

Regarding the "wootz"... I had a 20th century Khyber knife with EXACTLY the same pattern. Attached are photos of another one that I sold recently. Not very much different from a hunting knife Ivan Kirpichev made for me a few years ago...

Regarding the koftgari... in my oppinion it is definitely not Persian. Also significantly different from Ottoman mainsteam works.
It could be Syrian as Motan suggested, but could be also Afghan or more likely Indian but... definitely not the works of any established centre, but more like "village" works. I am inclined towards Indian, because I had a Tulwar with the same type of koftgari, only of significantly better quality.

Kubur · 25th February 2020, 04:18 PM

Hi Marius
I think we all agree that the koftgari is Syrian or Arab Ottoman.
For me the blade is Persian.
The pommel and the grips are a bit different from the usual bedouins swords but Motan and Oliver might be right.
I have an Arab sword with a Persian blade, it's very common.

25th February 2020, 11:44 AM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Regarding the "wootz"... I had a 20th century Khyber knife with EXACTLY the same pattern. Attached are photos of another one that I sold recently. Not very much different from a hunting knife Ivan Kirpichev made for me a few years ago... Regarding the koftgari... in my oppinion it is definitely not Persian. Also significantly different from Ottoman mainsteam works. It could be Syrian as Motan suggested, but could be also Afghan or more likely Indian but... definitely not the works of any established centre, but more like "village" works. I am inclined towards Indian, because I had a Tulwar with the same type of koftgari, only of significantly better quality. Attached Images Last edited by mariusgmioc; 25th February 2020 at 02:39 PM.

25th February 2020, 04:18 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Marius I think we all agree that the koftgari is Syrian or Arab Ottoman. For me the blade is Persian. The pommel and the grips are a bit different from the usual bedouins swords but Motan and Oliver might be right. I have an Arab sword with a Persian blade, it's very common.