Persian (?) shamshir.

ariel · 22nd February 2020, 10:06 PM

Oliver,
I go by what is a " good stuff":-)
Uzbek or Afghan is an ethnicity. Uzbeki or Afghani is "... of Uzbek or Afghan origin",
I am sure you know how good the "Uzbeki" is:-))

See:

ariel · 22nd February 2020, 10:14 PM

Oliver,
BTW, do you know why the country is Persia, but they themselves call their language not Parsi, but Farsi?

Kubur · 22nd February 2020, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Oliver,
BTW, do you know why the country is Persia, but they themselves call their language not Parsi, but Farsi?

I think the name of the country is Iran since the Bronze age...

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Originally Posted by ariel

The upper part of the blade has silver koft, not typical for Persia, but very frequent on Arabian ( especially Syrian ) ones..

I agree with Ariel and Oliver, Syrian or around.

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Originally Posted by ariel

The upper langet is surrounded by wire (?), - another Arabian feature.

It looks like a piece of textile added later

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Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

The guard is also an earlier Ottoman style but similar are found on some later sabers.
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I agree and disagree, you have old Persian guards like that too.

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Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

We can say the following: the grips, pommel and koftgari on the blade are likely Ottoman provincial work (Arab provinces.) However, closer examination of the motifs may prove otherwise.
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This is wise and clever. I can translate it as:
We don't know yet...

mariusgmioc · 23rd February 2020, 12:21 AM

To my eyes, this type of "wootz" is early 19th century or later.

The style of the hilt looks Syrian but the blade looks North Indian/Afghan.

Interested Party · 23rd February 2020, 01:42 AM

Has any one compared the fuller layout of this blade to plate 29 of Y. Miller's Caucasian Arms from the State Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg or Figure 99 from A Study of the Eastern Sword ? Did the "narrow fullers interspersed with flat areas" originate in Iran and move Afghanistan or vice versa?

ariel · 23rd February 2020, 05:38 AM

Persian blades as a rule had no fullers at all. Later on they might have had one wide fuller.

Kubur · 23rd February 2020, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Persian blades as a rule had no fullers at all. Later on they might have had one wide fuller.

Like this one for example...
I know Ariel you will tell me look at the cut in the ricasso and the dots.
Yes this blade is Indian.
But i wanted to point out that I saw many Persian shamshirs with such blades.
With all the respect that I have for Afghan weapons

I don't believe that Afghans could do that so it has to be Indian.

So if the blade is Indian and the hilt Sindhi or Baluchi, I think Sylektis, that we are going to find the origin of your sword...

22nd February 2020, 10:06 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Oliver, I go by what is a " good stuff":-) Uzbek or Afghan is an ethnicity. Uzbeki or Afghani is "... of Uzbek or Afghan origin", I am sure you know how good the "Uzbeki" is:-)) See: Attached Images

22nd February 2020, 10:14 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Oliver, BTW, do you know why the country is Persia, but they themselves call their language not Parsi, but Farsi?

23rd February 2020, 12:21 AM	#4
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	To my eyes, this type of "wootz" is early 19th century or later. The style of the hilt looks Syrian but the blade looks North Indian/Afghan.

23rd February 2020, 01:42 AM	#5
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 491	Has any one compared the fuller layout of this blade to plate 29 of Y. Miller's Caucasian Arms from the State Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg or Figure 99 from A Study of the Eastern Sword ? Did the "narrow fullers interspersed with flat areas" originate in Iran and move Afghanistan or vice versa?

23rd February 2020, 05:38 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Persian blades as a rule had no fullers at all. Later on they might have had one wide fuller.