Strange flintlock gun

Kmaddock · 9th January 2020, 09:58 AM

A lot better pictures, thanks
It all looks v v clean to me and the screw heads are so perfect
My gut would say this is not a 200 year old gun lock
also those who know about fonts might recognise if the number 2 is a modern or not font
woodwork does look well aged though and if the fit is good this confuses me
Thanks for showing
Ken

fernando · 9th January 2020, 11:35 AM

The assembly numbers (#2) would place this lock in a not so modern time period ... unless its maker wanted to play tricks.
It would be nice to hear again from Fernando K, when he looks at these so much better pictures.

Pukka Bundook · 9th January 2020, 11:41 AM

I can not say anything about the age of this lock, other than it looks very competently made.
It is very well put together if 'new'.
Very good fit where the breast of the cock rests on the fence of the pan.
Very pleasing little lock!
I do not think it is new, although it looks that way.. well cleaned maybe?

Fernando K · 9th January 2020, 12:01 PM

Hi

Now, with better photos, I discover other inconsistencies. If the frizeen screw is located from the inside (inside the lock) to the outside, the spring screw would be too: here the screw has its head on the outside. In addition, as Corrado says, if a lock was wanted that fired faster, the real dock would be fixed with a nut nut, Here the design is the traditional one. The guard, in these models, is fixed in the front, by an ear that penetrates the wood, and which in turn, is fixed by a pin. Here it is fixed by a screw-O but, by a plate that at its end has the transport ring, also fixed by a pin. In other interventions, it has been said that the adjustment of the wood is very good, and that is not proof of authenticity. The wood may have been aged. A good test would be to establish the passage of the screws of the lock. It is known that formerly the screws were not standardized, and each factory had its own system. If the steps are modern, it would be one more test

Sorry for the translator. Affectionately

Kmaddock · 9th January 2020, 01:11 PM

Normally on antique guns of mine the bit on the trigger that pushes up the sear is quiet worn but it looks perfect on this gun
Maybe just never used much though
Regards
Ken

corrado26 · 9th January 2020, 02:44 PM

I talked with a former owner of this gun, who had collected nothing else than guns, carbines and pistols made by the same factory: It was made in the "Königlich Württembergische Gewehrfabrik Oberndorf" (Royal wuerttembergian Arms Factory of Oberndorf/Neckar, the later MAUSER Works and today Heckler & Koch).
As you can see from the fotos attached the pan of the Wuerttemberg pistole M 1817 has an iron piece left of the pan which was the rest of the cock after having fired. The same is with the brass pan of the gun in question.
The reason why this gun has been made in this factory is regrettably unknown.
Maybe it was a test gun or really a gun made on private order.
corrado26

fernando · 9th January 2020, 02:59 PM

So that does it ... right, folks ?

9th January 2020, 01:11 PM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Normally on antique guns of mine the bit on the trigger that pushes up the sear is quiet worn but it looks perfect on this gun Maybe just never used much though Regards Ken Attached Images

9th January 2020, 02:44 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	I talked with a former owner of this gun, who had collected nothing else than guns, carbines and pistols made by the same factory: It was made in the "Königlich Württembergische Gewehrfabrik Oberndorf" (Royal wuerttembergian Arms Factory of Oberndorf/Neckar, the later MAUSER Works and today Heckler & Koch). As you can see from the fotos attached the pan of the Wuerttemberg pistole M 1817 has an iron piece left of the pan which was the rest of the cock after having fired. The same is with the brass pan of the gun in question. The reason why this gun has been made in this factory is regrettably unknown. Maybe it was a test gun or really a gun made on private order. corrado26 Attached Images

9th January 2020, 09:58 AM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	A lot better pictures, thanks It all looks v v clean to me and the screw heads are so perfect My gut would say this is not a 200 year old gun lock also those who know about fonts might recognise if the number 2 is a modern or not font woodwork does look well aged though and if the fit is good this confuses me Thanks for showing Ken

9th January 2020, 11:35 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	The assembly numbers (#2) would place this lock in a not so modern time period ... unless its maker wanted to play tricks. It would be nice to hear again from Fernando K, when he looks at these so much better pictures.

9th January 2020, 11:41 AM	#3
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	I can not say anything about the age of this lock, other than it looks very competently made. It is very well put together if 'new'. Very good fit where the breast of the cock rests on the fence of the pan. Very pleasing little lock! I do not think it is new, although it looks that way.. well cleaned maybe?

9th January 2020, 12:01 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hi Now, with better photos, I discover other inconsistencies. If the frizeen screw is located from the inside (inside the lock) to the outside, the spring screw would be too: here the screw has its head on the outside. In addition, as Corrado says, if a lock was wanted that fired faster, the real dock would be fixed with a nut nut, Here the design is the traditional one. The guard, in these models, is fixed in the front, by an ear that penetrates the wood, and which in turn, is fixed by a pin. Here it is fixed by a screw-O but, by a plate that at its end has the transport ring, also fixed by a pin. In other interventions, it has been said that the adjustment of the wood is very good, and that is not proof of authenticity. The wood may have been aged. A good test would be to establish the passage of the screws of the lock. It is known that formerly the screws were not standardized, and each factory had its own system. If the steps are modern, it would be one more test Sorry for the translator. Affectionately

9th January 2020, 02:59 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	So that does it ... right, folks ?