Transitional, Victorian, Other?

Hotspur · 15th October 2019, 06:56 PM

In passing, Juan Perez writes "nice sword" and of seeing nothing particularly Spanish about it, and suggests the ducal crowns might point to Germany or Austria.

All of a sudden I'm going in six directions that briefly take me to the 1662 copper riots in Moscow. It was not the Russian marriage to a duke I was looking for though and found a castle in that Bavarian duchy coat of arms. Winding up perhaps not so strangely looking at schloss Hirschberg of Eichstätt. The castle burned in a lightning storm in 1632, only (from a German wiki) "Only 1670 to 1729, the castle was partly rebuilt, partly renewed." and what I'd like to see is this "A votive picture of the caretaker Lorenz von Helmstadt, which today hangs on the second floor of the staircase, conveys a picture of the destroyed structure."

Could it have been a sword of homage done at some point? I have come across such period swords relating the passing of a general (the name escapes me, Hanoverian iirc) in the 18th century.

I'll hold on more thought until it arrives.

Cheers
GC

Dang, I did not save the pictures, it was a sword made in homage for (etched to) Friedrich II Landgraf of Hesse-Kassel a dandy slotted hilt but I digress

Here was another blade etched to him. Again a sidebar.

Victrix · 15th October 2019, 09:34 PM

The upper quillon seems to be twisted sideways which must be a clue to its origins? The legs don’t seem to meet at the top bar in the majescule A.

fernando · 16th October 2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotspur

... In passing, Juan Perez writes "nice sword" and of seeing nothing particularly Spanish about it, and suggests the ducal crowns might point to Germany or Austria...

To be precise, if i dare, this would be, not a ducal coronet (crowns are different) but, one of a less ranked noble. Also the construction facade depicted could be that of a palace and not of a castle ... in theory.
It could be that the reason for all these features, 'strange' mark and all, is one of significant meaning. Why all those are pointing towards the 'wrong' side of the blade; client's imposition ... or the engraver not being professionally sword orientated

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Hotspur · 16th October 2019, 01:45 PM

Pick one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry)

https://www.idtg.org/archive/784-cre...s-in-heraldry/

If someone has a better list, please share.

Cheers
GC

fernando · 16th October 2019, 01:54 PM

THIS IS the one i previously consulted

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Hotspur · 16th October 2019, 03:59 PM

Thanks Fernando

As it lacks any indication of jewels, should we should be looking at a loyalist crown/coronet?

The building could certainly be linked to a location. My trail to Bavaria is probably presumptuous but was an interesting bit of reading yesterday.

Could the A really be an M?

Cheers
GC

fernando · 16th October 2019, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotspur

... As it lacks any indication of jewels, should we be looking at a loyalist crown/coronet?

I am afraid i don't know that much, Glen. In any case, precise rank will depend on which country, i would say.

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The building could certainly be linked to a location...

Strong possibility alright.

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Originally Posted by Hotspur

Could the A really be an M?...

Or even no letter at all ?

15th October 2019, 06:56 PM	#1
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 528	In passing, Juan Perez writes "nice sword" and of seeing nothing particularly Spanish about it, and suggests the ducal crowns might point to Germany or Austria. All of a sudden I'm going in six directions that briefly take me to the 1662 copper riots in Moscow. It was not the Russian marriage to a duke I was looking for though and found a castle in that Bavarian duchy coat of arms. Winding up perhaps not so strangely looking at schloss Hirschberg of Eichstätt. The castle burned in a lightning storm in 1632, only (from a German wiki) "Only 1670 to 1729, the castle was partly rebuilt, partly renewed." and what I'd like to see is this "A votive picture of the caretaker Lorenz von Helmstadt, which today hangs on the second floor of the staircase, conveys a picture of the destroyed structure." Could it have been a sword of homage done at some point? I have come across such period swords relating the passing of a general (the name escapes me, Hanoverian iirc) in the 18th century. I'll hold on more thought until it arrives. Cheers GC Dang, I did not save the pictures, it was a sword made in homage for (etched to) Friedrich II Landgraf of Hesse-Kassel a dandy slotted hilt but I digress Here was another blade etched to him. Again a sidebar. Attached Images Last edited by Hotspur; 15th October 2019 at 07:15 PM.

16th October 2019, 01:54 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	THIS IS the one i previously consulted : . Last edited by fernando; 16th October 2019 at 02:18 PM.

15th October 2019, 09:34 PM	#2
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	The upper quillon seems to be twisted sideways which must be a clue to its origins? The legs don’t seem to meet at the top bar in the majescule A.

16th October 2019, 01:45 PM	#4
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 528	Pick one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(heraldry) https://www.idtg.org/archive/784-cre...s-in-heraldry/ If someone has a better list, please share. Cheers GC

16th October 2019, 03:59 PM	#6
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 528	Thanks Fernando As it lacks any indication of jewels, should we should be looking at a loyalist crown/coronet? The building could certainly be linked to a location. My trail to Bavaria is probably presumptuous but was an interesting bit of reading yesterday. Could the A really be an M? Cheers GC