Italian or spanish navaja old knife ?

[francantolin]

another old knife with nice engravings
maybe a spanish catalan knife
'' Qui mal gasta mal pasar ? ''

[fernando]

Qui(en) mal gasta, mal pasa.
Sort of; He who spends badly, badly will live .

[Fernando K]

Hello
"Q U I" is Italian, means HERE, in this world. Therefore, it seems to me that the razor is Italian

Affectionately

[francantolin]

Hello,

Thank you Fernando(s) : )

Yes maybe dialect of spain
( catalan is really different from spanish )

Or maybe sardinian-corsican italian knife ?...

Kind regards

Francky

[bvieira]

Hello,

it's spanish, model used in 19th and beginning 20th century, i have one similar, but it was some silver engravings.

Regards,

BV

[Chris Evans]

Originally Posted by bvieira

Hello,

it's spanish, model used in 19th and beginning 20th century, i have one similar, but it was some silver engravings.

Regards,

BV

Yours is French, made for the Spanish market in the late 19th century. See pg 149 of Forton's `Navajas Antiguas, Las Mejores Piezas de Coleccion'.

Edit: Had a bit more time to look in my library and it appears that this folder was made by the French maker Girodias. Reference pg347 in Forton's La Navaja Espanola Antigua.

Cheers
Chris

[francantolin]

Hello everybody,

Really nice knife BV !!

Thank you Chris for your precious comments,
I'll have to buy this book !

Kind Regards

[bvieira]

Originally Posted by Chris Evans

Yours is French, made for the Spanish market in the late 19th century. See pg 149 of Forton's `Navajas Antiguas, Las Mejores Piezas de Coleccion'.

Edit: Had a bit more time to look in my library and it appears that this folder was made by the French maker Girodias. Reference pg347 in Forton's La Navaja Espanola Antigua.

Cheers
Chris

Hello Chris,

Did not know that, tks! by the way do you know the value this knife today ?

Regards,

BV

[francantolin]

Originally Posted by francantolin

Hello,

Thank you Fernando(s) : )

Yes maybe dialect of spain
( catalan is really different from spanish )

Or maybe sardinian-corsican italian knife ?...

Kind regards

Francky

A funny example of big difference between catalan and spanish:

''Please'' said '' Por favor'' in spanish
and became '' Si'us plau '' in Barcelona , ( written on old walls of the city )
coming from the french '' S'il vous plait'' ( close to the frontier...)

[francantolin]

Originally Posted by francantolin

A funny example of big difference between catalan and spanish:

''Please'' said '' Por favor'' in spanish
and became '' Si'us plau '' in Barcelona , ( written on old walls of the city )
coming from the french '' S'il vous plait'' ( close to the frontier...)

Tha's too why they want their independence

[kronckew]

According to a compadre, the book mentioned is good for nice pics and there is some good info in it if you read Spanish but most of the info in it about certain knives from certain regions is wrong, an Spanish expert has authored books in Spain along with his mentor has told my mutual friend that this book did have some good info in it but should not be used as a definitive source of info for researching navaja's. We were discussing it a few days ago outside the forum in relation to one he was considering. Anyway, I cannot as yet discuss it tho it looks very similar to the one originally posted, tho with a blonde horn grip and appears to be smaller. It is inscribed with a dedication mentioning Sevilla and dated in the mid 19c.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

..."Q U I" is Italian, means HERE, in this world...

Originally Posted by Chris Evans

...The inscription reads like misspelled Spanish...

Yet some plausibility applies in this case; QUI and QUIEN were relative terms, back in the middle ages; apparently this left track till 'the other day'.

" Algo más posterior es el estudio de Elvira sobre la sintaxis de los relativos qui y quien en español antiguo15. A partir de un corpus de textos medievales, analiza los usos sintácticos de los pronombres qui y quien en relativas con antecedente explícito "


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[Chris Evans]

Originally Posted by fernando

Yet some plausibility applies in this case; QUI and QUIEN were relative terms, back in the middle ages; apparently this left track till 'the other day'.

" Algo más posterior es el estudio de Elvira sobre la sintaxis de los relativos qui y quien en español antiguo15. A partir de un corpus de textos medievales, analiza los usos sintácticos de los pronombres qui y quien en relativas con antecedente explícito "


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Thank you for that clarification.

Cheers
Chris

[Chris Evans]

Originally Posted by francantolin

another old knife with nice engravings
maybe a spanish catalan knife
'' Qui mal gasta mal pasar ? ''

The overall shape of the knife corresponds most closely to those of Sevilla. For reference see Forton's `Navajas Antiguas, Las Mejores Piezas de Coleccion'.

Catalan navajas generally have a different shape.

The inscription reads like misspelled Spanish. We have to remember that most cutlers were illiterate and engraved the legends by rote.

Cheers
Chris