Crowns on Aceh weapons revisited

kai · 22nd August 2019, 10:15 PM

Hello Tim,

Good to have you back!

I’d vote for 2.5.

The general crown type is of the glupa configuration (2 crowns), with an added ferrule-like ring as is also seen on a few rencong. I reckon this is an original design.

A nice addition to the family!

Regards,
Kai

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2019, 10:46 PM

This thread has been running for quite some time, but I have never looked at it previously.

When I look at these "crowns", it strikes me that I am looking at a representation of the tumpal motif.

Has anybody thought to investigate this?

thomas hauschild · 3rd November 2019, 06:31 AM

Asomotif asked me to show the crown on a sikin parang of my collection.

Not with gold inlay. Made of bronce maybe (or hopefully) made of souasa.

Best thomas

kai · 3rd November 2019, 06:39 PM

Certainly genuine and likely suasa - have it tested, Thomas!

I've seen a few in suasa without engraving nor enamel while I can't remember ever having seen one in gold without the traditional motifs (enamel can miss from older examples, probably from loss rather than original design).

Regards,
Kai

Jentayu · 19th January 2021, 12:42 PM

3 variations of Aceh siwah

kai · 19th January 2021, 08:04 PM

Wow, splendid examples, Jentayu!

Some more pics of those examples not posted before would be really kind!

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 20th January 2021, 12:58 AM

I want all 3 of them!

Ian · 4th July 2023, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

This thread has been running for quite some time, but I have never looked at it previously.

When I look at these "crowns", it strikes me that I am looking at a representation of the tumpal motif.

Has anybody thought to investigate this?

Hi Alan,

I want to bring your earlier comment back up because nobody really replied to your question. Lots of comments about the "bling" but nothing in regard to your suggestion of a tumpal motif, which makes sense to me.

JeffS · 5th July 2023, 11:21 AM

Peter Dekker notes this in the "Tumpal" glossary entry on his site.

asomotif · 5th July 2023, 08:54 PM

In hands of time, The crafts of Aceh, by Barbara Leigh,
the writer refers a bamboo shoot motif, Pucuk rebung.

In this old thread there is also information : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=atjeh

3rd November 2019, 06:31 AM	#3
thomas hauschild Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Germany Posts: 141	Asomotif asked me to show the crown on a sikin parang of my collection. Not with gold inlay. Made of bronce maybe (or hopefully) made of souasa. Best thomas Attached Images Last edited by thomas hauschild; 3rd November 2019 at 07:04 AM.

19th January 2021, 12:42 PM	#5
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 63	3 variations of Aceh siwah Attached Images

22nd August 2019, 10:15 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Tim, Good to have you back! I’d vote for 2.5. The general crown type is of the glupa configuration (2 crowns), with an added ferrule-like ring as is also seen on a few rencong. I reckon this is an original design. A nice addition to the family! Regards, Kai

22nd August 2019, 10:46 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	This thread has been running for quite some time, but I have never looked at it previously. When I look at these "crowns", it strikes me that I am looking at a representation of the tumpal motif. Has anybody thought to investigate this?

3rd November 2019, 06:39 PM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Certainly genuine and likely suasa - have it tested, Thomas! I've seen a few in suasa without engraving nor enamel while I can't remember ever having seen one in gold without the traditional motifs (enamel can miss from older examples, probably from loss rather than original design). Regards, Kai

19th January 2021, 08:04 PM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Wow, splendid examples, Jentayu! Some more pics of those examples not posted before would be really kind! Regards, Kai

20th January 2021, 12:58 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I want all 3 of them!

5th July 2023, 11:21 AM	#9
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 423	Peter Dekker notes this in the "Tumpal" glossary entry on his site.

5th July 2023, 08:54 PM	#10
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	In hands of time, The crafts of Aceh, by Barbara Leigh, the writer refers a bamboo shoot motif, Pucuk rebung. In this old thread there is also information : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=atjeh