Ukiran material id?

Patje1970 · 19th August 2019, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Personally I don't think that this hilt is very recent (say less than 10-15 years) or the ageing process was very professionally made! (blackened cavities, etc.). Can you remove the selut? Is there a sign that there is added materials under the selut or inside the pesi hole (look for a transition line with a flashlight), or it is one piece with the hilt? Very nice carving anyway!
Regards

Hi Jean, I cannot remove the selut. Only some pictures from the inside. So far I see it. Seems dense bone ore some kind of antler.

I agree with you that is not very recent, I loved the carving, that's why I bought this one.

regards Pat

Battara · 20th August 2019, 02:42 AM

Could this have been artificially aged?

Rick · 20th August 2019, 03:48 AM

I think it's entirely possible Jose.
Doesn't look like natural aging to me at all.
If there were evidence of tiny pits I'd think it was a casting that was hand finished.

Patje1970 · 20th August 2019, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

I think it's entirely possible Jose.
Doesn't look like natural aging to me at all.
If there were evidence of tiny pits I'd think it was a casting that was hand finished.

I don't think it's a casting. material seems more like antler or bone. The selut attachted is from metal. I don't see evidence of tiny pits. If it is aged it was very professionally made (blackened cavities, etc.)

A. G. Maisey · 20th August 2019, 02:45 PM

Patje, I think I'd be inclined to do a hot needle test with this hilt.

Rick · 20th August 2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Patje1970

I don't think it's a casting. material seems more like antler or bone. The selut attachted is from metal. I don't see evidence of tiny pits. If it is aged it was very professionally made (blackened cavities, etc.)

Another clue you gave was the impression of heavyness and being cool to the touch. Then there is the matter of all the 'gunk' in the crevices.
When I was first collecting kerisses I received a very intricate Madura hilt; it too felt heavy and cool to the touch also with lots of gunk in the crevices. I figured I would clean it up and in doing so discovered it was a casting made from some kind of heavy non natural material and aged quite professionally.

I'll be interested in what you discover when you do a bit of testing.

20th August 2019, 02:42 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Could this have been artificially aged?

20th August 2019, 03:48 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I think it's entirely possible Jose. Doesn't look like natural aging to me at all. If there were evidence of tiny pits I'd think it was a casting that was hand finished.

20th August 2019, 02:45 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Patje, I think I'd be inclined to do a hot needle test with this hilt.