Hand and a Half Sword

ulfberth · 17th July 2019, 11:22 AM

well according to Staffan Kinman in the book "European makers of edged weapons , their marks" the marks are Northern Italy early 16th century.
Kind regards
Ulfberth

fernando · 17th July 2019, 02:49 PM

Great input/s Dirk

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Thanks a lot for sharing such info.

Victrix · 17th July 2019, 09:14 PM

It seems to me that the marks are slightly different; one is symmetric, the other is not. The catalogue from Sammlung Kuppermayr states that the mark is from the Northern Italian city of Turin.

Is it normal for the cross guard to be so plain? The other examples posted have some decorations done at the terminals etc.

ulfberth · 18th July 2019, 12:39 PM

yes it is normal to have no decoration on the guard and or pommel, the other examples are even more exeptional swords.
More decoration cost more money and these things were very costly even in those day's. Blade marks don't have to be perfectly symmetrical, variations will occur depending on how worn the punch was and if the punch and the hammer were perfectly vertical when the marks were placed.

Victrix · 18th July 2019, 05:00 PM

Link to previous post on Marca a Mosca mark: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=mosca

To me the mark on the sword in post #1 looks different, but it could simply be a variation of this twig mark. All three stamps look different as does the example in the Kuppermayr catalogue.

Jens Nordlunde · 18th July 2019, 09:22 PM

I have a small, privetly printed, booklet in Danish, saying thet the blank parts are meant to be silver and the crossed parts are meant to be black.
I am not a specislist when it comes to coat of arms, but maybe this can help a bit.

Victrix · 18th July 2019, 11:11 PM

I’m no expert on heraldry but the attached seems to suggest that the coat of arms is that of a count (crown with pearls at the peaks). The shield itself, or rather its embellishments, looks somewhat Italian in shape?

CSinTX · 29th July 2019, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Victrix

I’m no expert on heraldry but the attached seems to suggest that the coat of arms is that of a count (crown with pearls at the peaks). The shield itself, or rather its embellishments, looks somewhat Italian in shape?

Thanks for the info. It looks like mine has 7 points so that would coincide with a Baron or Freiherr.

A google images search turns up lots of examples but nothing too close.

18th July 2019, 11:11 PM	#7
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	I’m no expert on heraldry but the attached seems to suggest that the coat of arms is that of a count (crown with pearls at the peaks). The shield itself, or rather its embellishments, looks somewhat Italian in shape? Attached Images

17th July 2019, 11:22 AM	#1
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	well according to Staffan Kinman in the book "European makers of edged weapons , their marks" the marks are Northern Italy early 16th century. Kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

17th July 2019, 02:49 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Great input/s Dirk . Thanks a lot for sharing such info.

17th July 2019, 09:14 PM	#3
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	It seems to me that the marks are slightly different; one is symmetric, the other is not. The catalogue from Sammlung Kuppermayr states that the mark is from the Northern Italian city of Turin. Is it normal for the cross guard to be so plain? The other examples posted have some decorations done at the terminals etc.

18th July 2019, 12:39 PM	#4
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	yes it is normal to have no decoration on the guard and or pommel, the other examples are even more exeptional swords. More decoration cost more money and these things were very costly even in those day's. Blade marks don't have to be perfectly symmetrical, variations will occur depending on how worn the punch was and if the punch and the hammer were perfectly vertical when the marks were placed.

18th July 2019, 05:00 PM	#5
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Link to previous post on Marca a Mosca mark: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=mosca To me the mark on the sword in post #1 looks different, but it could simply be a variation of this twig mark. All three stamps look different as does the example in the Kuppermayr catalogue.

18th July 2019, 09:22 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I have a small, privetly printed, booklet in Danish, saying thet the blank parts are meant to be silver and the crossed parts are meant to be black. I am not a specislist when it comes to coat of arms, but maybe this can help a bit.