Hand and a Half Sword

ulfberth · 16th July 2019, 11:53 AM

Here is a sword in 1895 Sammlung Kuppelmayr with the same blade mark , however here there is only one stamp not 3, the sword is described as Italian between 1450 and 1500.

ulfberth · 16th July 2019, 12:15 PM

And a late gothic hand and a half sword circa 1500 with similar markings, in auction at Fischer almost 100 years ago , 1927.
And on a German hand and a half sword last quarter of the 16th C.

CSinTX · 17th July 2019, 04:53 AM

Thanks for all the info Dirk! I see some of the blades you posted also contain the eyelash marks which we know to be Italian. It seems the marks on my blade are more common than a simple smith mark. Sure wish we knew the meaning but it is probably lost to time.

ulfberth · 17th July 2019, 11:22 AM

well according to Staffan Kinman in the book "European makers of edged weapons , their marks" the marks are Northern Italy early 16th century.
Kind regards
Ulfberth

fernando · 17th July 2019, 02:49 PM

Great input/s Dirk

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Thanks a lot for sharing such info.

Victrix · 17th July 2019, 09:14 PM

It seems to me that the marks are slightly different; one is symmetric, the other is not. The catalogue from Sammlung Kuppermayr states that the mark is from the Northern Italian city of Turin.

Is it normal for the cross guard to be so plain? The other examples posted have some decorations done at the terminals etc.

ulfberth · 18th July 2019, 12:39 PM

yes it is normal to have no decoration on the guard and or pommel, the other examples are even more exeptional swords.
More decoration cost more money and these things were very costly even in those day's. Blade marks don't have to be perfectly symmetrical, variations will occur depending on how worn the punch was and if the punch and the hammer were perfectly vertical when the marks were placed.

16th July 2019, 11:53 AM	#1
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	Here is a sword in 1895 Sammlung Kuppelmayr with the same blade mark , however here there is only one stamp not 3, the sword is described as Italian between 1450 and 1500. Attached Images

16th July 2019, 12:15 PM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	And a late gothic hand and a half sword circa 1500 with similar markings, in auction at Fischer almost 100 years ago , 1927. And on a German hand and a half sword last quarter of the 16th C. Attached Images

17th July 2019, 11:22 AM	#4
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	well according to Staffan Kinman in the book "European makers of edged weapons , their marks" the marks are Northern Italy early 16th century. Kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

17th July 2019, 04:53 AM	#3
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 233	Thanks for all the info Dirk! I see some of the blades you posted also contain the eyelash marks which we know to be Italian. It seems the marks on my blade are more common than a simple smith mark. Sure wish we knew the meaning but it is probably lost to time.

17th July 2019, 02:49 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Great input/s Dirk . Thanks a lot for sharing such info.

17th July 2019, 09:14 PM	#6
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	It seems to me that the marks are slightly different; one is symmetric, the other is not. The catalogue from Sammlung Kuppermayr states that the mark is from the Northern Italian city of Turin. Is it normal for the cross guard to be so plain? The other examples posted have some decorations done at the terminals etc.

18th July 2019, 12:39 PM	#7
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	yes it is normal to have no decoration on the guard and or pommel, the other examples are even more exeptional swords. More decoration cost more money and these things were very costly even in those day's. Blade marks don't have to be perfectly symmetrical, variations will occur depending on how worn the punch was and if the punch and the hammer were perfectly vertical when the marks were placed.