Landean Pralamba Collection (part of)

Jean · 5th July 2019, 08:58 AM

Translation:
Duwung (keris) Singapore?
Duwung (keris) Patani?
Duwung (keris) panjang Malaka?
The blade of the kris panjang has an elaborate pamor pattern contrary to the usual krisses panjang from Bangkinang without apparent pamor. The scabbard seems to be recently made?
Were the hilts made in Java as I understood from Amuk?
Regards

Amuk Murugul · 19th October 2021, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Translation:
Duwung (keris) Singapore?
Duwung (keris) Patani?
Duwung (keris) panjang Malaka?
The blade of the kris panjang has an elaborate pamor pattern contrary to the usual krisses panjang from Bangkinang without apparent pamor. The scabbard seems to be recently made?
Were the hilts made in Java as I understood from Amuk?
Regards

Hullo everybody!

Apologies for the VERY LATE replies.
David:
#17 is as when acquired in southern Kalamantan.
#15, #16 are modern Sleman hilts, blades and sheaths are Djawa.
None are on display.

Paul:
My spelling utilises the old Dutch system for my convenience, so that I know the correct pronunciation/origin.
Tjawsteung=Chao -Steung/-Steng= Canal People.
Back in the day, the people of the area created canal highways to transport goods from one side of the peninsula to the other or anywhere in between.
BTW..... no, I am not from Holland.

Jean:
Singgora/Singhgora/Singagora is NOT Singapore; it was a kingdom which rivalled Patani to such an extent that it drew a lot of commerce away from Patani and thus 'had to be destroyed'.
Doehoeng/dohong/duwung/duhung/keris/kris/kalis all came from the same roots.
Only hilts #15 and #16 are modern Djawa.

Best,

jagabuwana · 22nd October 2021, 03:37 AM

As is usually the case with Amuk Murugul's posts, the language and orthography used to name and describe the items tends to generate a lot of confusion.

Amuk, I can only imagine that you are tired of having to field these questions (even though they are fair questions

), so I hope I can help matters out a bit by pointing to this thread where it has been explained as Basa Sunda Jero: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=basa+jero

Interested Party · 30th November 2021, 03:25 PM

Thanks for the post as always. I always learn from Aumuk Murugul's posts. Then the questions and subsequent discussions they generate are a big bonus. How many people write in Basa Sunda Jero? How many are fluent in this language? Preservation of the language is a vital component to preservation of the culture and history. I feel that these are major goals of the posts, am I correct or reading too much subtext into the conversation?

5th July 2019, 08:58 AM	#1
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Translation: Duwung (keris) Singapore? Duwung (keris) Patani? Duwung (keris) panjang Malaka? The blade of the kris panjang has an elaborate pamor pattern contrary to the usual krisses panjang from Bangkinang without apparent pamor. The scabbard seems to be recently made? Were the hilts made in Java as I understood from Amuk? Regards

22nd October 2021, 03:37 AM	#3
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 290	As is usually the case with Amuk Murugul's posts, the language and orthography used to name and describe the items tends to generate a lot of confusion. Amuk, I can only imagine that you are tired of having to field these questions (even though they are fair questions ), so I hope I can help matters out a bit by pointing to this thread where it has been explained as Basa Sunda Jero: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=basa+jero

30th November 2021, 03:25 PM	#4
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 490	Thanks for the post as always. I always learn from Aumuk Murugul's posts. Then the questions and subsequent discussions they generate are a big bonus. How many people write in Basa Sunda Jero? How many are fluent in this language? Preservation of the language is a vital component to preservation of the culture and history. I feel that these are major goals of the posts, am I correct or reading too much subtext into the conversation?