For Comment #3

[David]

I will add one more example of this sheath form for view and possible discussion. This one holds a beautifully crafted patrem, which to my understanding is a contemporary blade, though i thought at the time of acquisition that i was also told that the wrongko was an old one. This also does not have any carved motif at the back like both Alan's and Jean's examples. Obviously the pendok is more contemporary though. My source is a forum member so if he remembers more about this he might have more to add. Given this discussion i wonder if this pendok would be considered in keeping with East Jawa form or not. Regardless, i do love this little gem.

[A. G. Maisey]

I'd have no problem at all in accepting this pendok as suitable for East Jawa dress, however, even though Madura is a part of East Jawa, and even though a pendok of this type could be used on a Madura keris, it could not really be thought of as a Madura pendok, which means --- I think --- that if we came across this complete keris without knowledge of its provenance we would be in a similar position to the one that I'm in with the keris I put up for comment, and in all honesty, this is the reality of keris collecting and of keris wear, on the ground, in Indonesia.

In certain locations and situations people wear keris that have all elements of the dress correctly matched, but in other less elevated locations and situations people wear keris that are frequently comprised of conflicting elements of dress.

Real life is often very different to what we read in books.

[Bejo]

Hi,

Attached is the picture of the warongko which I think looks similar with the previous photos.

Regards,

Joe

[A. G. Maisey]

Yep, and what we have here is an absolutely typical Maduro pendok.

Tuban pusaka?

[Bejo]

Yes. I was told that the tangguh is tuban. It is quite hard to find East java warongko in good condition but in affordable price, so I also use Madura warongko for my East Java keris.


Regards,

Joe