Rerajahan soul of the keris

[David]

Thanks for this summary Alan.

[Pusaka]

Below are quotes from the Magus of Java he basically says what I have said though being from a Chinese background he uses the word FU instead of Jimat/Rerajahan. He also clears up the misconception that an ISI is a created being. This mystic used his clairvoyant ability's to investigate the construction of the keris and the nature of the ISI contained in it

"When I first developed my power," John said, "l was curious
about the abilities of the keris. In an antiques shop I found a keris of
power that was rusting away the storekeeper could not sense that
the keris was charged you see. That weapon was five hundred years
old but he thought it was junk and treated it as such. l bought it for
a few dollars and took it home where I investigated its origins using
my own skills. In the very Center of the keris, buried in the layers of
metal, was a strip of paper* on which a charm was written in Sanskrit
letters. It was very similar to a Chinese talisman, a fu. At that point I
understood the technique of fabricating the keris"

*The author is mistaken here the Rerajahan is not drawn on paper for obvious reasons instead it is scribed on the metal with a stylus

"Samar (the name of the keris) is a created being isn't he?"
John looked at me with interest. "No, Kosta you are missing the
point. Nice try, but no cigar as they say. Samar is not a created
being at all he is the extension of a man who once was"

"A Fu comes from our own person John said. When we make a
Fu we extend our consciousness and our power into the charm and
that power can serve a specific purpose for example when I
speak to a keris it is actually the spirit of the keris maker whom I
am speaking to this man has, in the past extended a part of his own
life force and spirit into the fu in the heart of the keris."

[A. G. Maisey]

Ah yes, John Chang.

Belief can be very powerful.

[Pusaka]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Ah yes, John Chang.

Belief can be very powerful.

What part of what he said above is false ?

[David]

Originally Posted by Pusaka

What part of what he said above is false ?

I believe you are asking the wrong question.

[A. G. Maisey]

Darren, I neither stated nor implied that there was anything false in your quoted passage. I simply commented that belief can be powerful, and I feel that this is an accurate statement.

The thing is this:- you are trying to address the keris from one direction, I am addressing the keris from a different direction. Each of us has certain life experience and knowledge that helps to form our opinions. I have a very lengthy period of experience with people who possess similar perceived abilities to those of Mr. Chang, in fact, I live with one of these people, I have had others who were relatives. We do not all see the world in precisely the same way.

I have spent over 60 years in the study of all things that relate to Jawa. Since 1974 I have spent between one month and six months every year except three, living in Solo in Central Jawa. The perceived abilities of Mr. Chang do not amaze me, nor do they impress me. True, he does appear to possess certain abilities, but from my perspective those abilities have absolutely nothing at all to do with the keris.

I do not have any problem at all with the way in which you are pursuing knowledge of the keris, I believe that you are sincere in your beliefs, and I also believe that if you continue your pursuit of knowledge for long enough you will find that which you are seeking.

[Pusaka]

I think if a person has the ability to sense a keris in a junk shop. Then use their clairvoyant vision to see a Rerajahan buried in the centre of a kris and even be able to see its characters that is not an achievement to be sneezed at. Lets keep it real, none of you guys could do this!

Personally I regard this person to be an expert on keris because you can hand such a person a keris and he can tell you things about that keris that you could never hope to know.