Please some info about this keris

David Gallas · 24th January 2019, 06:26 AM

Hi David, thnx for your replay. So the handle is Solo, Naranda Khanda? I know the east Javanese handles, but not for Yogja.
It also doesn't have that round from Yogja but more that edgy like Solo??
I'll upload some hilt forms, but my knowledge about handles is limited.

You are correct, the pendok and mendak needs some care! I'm going to test the pendok this afternoon to see what karat comes out.

Hi Mr Maisey. I cut gemstones and make rings out of it. I use the simple methode of a stone and 4 fluids, 8k, 14k, 18k and 21,5k.

I"ll do the test again this afternoon and upload the pictures of the result.

Kind regards

David

David · 25th January 2019, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by David Gallas

So the handle is Solo, Naranda Khanda? I know the east Javanese handles, but not for Yogja.
It also doesn't have that round from Yogja but more that edgy like Solo?

Yes David, i would say that given that small "knot" over the top cecekan that this hilt is probably of Surakarta origin.
Thanks for confirming the gold content of the pendok. Suassa is what i would call it at 8%. It is still a beautiful pendok no matter how much gold content there is.

A. G. Maisey · 25th January 2019, 07:32 AM

Yes, if it tests at 8K, that is OK for suwasa, actually, suwasa bubul.

Funny thing is though, the colour on my screen comes up like nickel silver, which would make it mamas.

I've only ever seen suwasa alloyed with copper, and then it comes up looking like rose gold. Peculiar.

Jean · 25th January 2019, 08:39 AM

Hello David,
The pamor pattern of your blade is difficult to identify with some certainty because it is scattered and significantly worn-out. One assumption would be pamor tambal (patch) but I would rather think that it used to be a full pamor pattern such as lar gangsir (cricket wings) but eroded with time. Other opinions are welcome.
Regarding the style of hilt, I agree that it probably originates from Solo but am not sure that it can be classified as Narada Kandha because of its unusual curved shape, see a more typical specimen.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 25th January 2019, 10:04 AM

This type of hilt is what we call a "kagok" hilt, the word "kagok" means awkward or strange, it is a description rather than a name. This type of kagok hilt with exaggerated angular form is usually associated with Jawa Timur, more to the west than to the East. It really does not belong on this wrongko.

Jean · 25th January 2019, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

This type of hilt is what we call a "kagok" hilt, the word "kagok" means awkward or strange, it is a description rather than a name. This type of kagok hilt with exaggerated angular form is usually associated with Jawa Timur, more to the west than to the East. It really does not belong on this wrongko.

Yes I agree, and this hilt looks less old than the kris itself.
Regards

David Gallas · 25th January 2019, 12:04 PM

Dear Mister David, you are correct, but my disappointment was not about the pendok, but more of my own mis about the gold....

Dear Mister Maisey, i agree with what you see. I"ll try to upload some pictures with as bench mark some other keris with pendok, and with a white shit on the background. The pendok is absolute darker. Thank you for the name suasa bubul, i didn't know that!

Dear Mister Jean, i also thought, like you and mister David that it is probably Solo but i was not completely sure because of the odd form. Naranda Khanda is from a spiritual view very plausible because if you can have the messanger of the god as a guard for your pusaka... Looking at an other person with belly, then Bima would also be a great guard, the big hero of the Mahabarata, but doesn't know if that exist.

I also think your right about a twisted pamor. It would be nice to know, a new keris is always a puzzle, trying to get into the mind of the creator of the keris....

David · 25th January 2019, 05:50 PM

Agreed, the hilt has some age and is well carved, but it appears younger than the rest of this ensemble and i agree with Alan that it does not seem quite right for it.
Alan, i find it is quite often impossible to tell the actual color of objects in internet photos. They are taken by people with a great range of photographic skills and usually not white balanced or color corrected properly to show accurate colors. Most unskilled photographers are therefore at the mercy of the available light they are shooting in matched against the often incorrect accuracy of the auto white balance of whatever level of camera they are shooting with.

24th January 2019, 06:26 AM	#1
David Gallas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 24	keris info Hi David, thnx for your replay. So the handle is Solo, Naranda Khanda? I know the east Javanese handles, but not for Yogja. It also doesn't have that round from Yogja but more that edgy like Solo?? I'll upload some hilt forms, but my knowledge about handles is limited. You are correct, the pendok and mendak needs some care! I'm going to test the pendok this afternoon to see what karat comes out. Hi Mr Maisey. I cut gemstones and make rings out of it. I use the simple methode of a stone and 4 fluids, 8k, 14k, 18k and 21,5k. I"ll do the test again this afternoon and upload the pictures of the result. Kind regards David Attached Images

25th January 2019, 07:32 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	Yes, if it tests at 8K, that is OK for suwasa, actually, suwasa bubul. Funny thing is though, the colour on my screen comes up like nickel silver, which would make it mamas. I've only ever seen suwasa alloyed with copper, and then it comes up looking like rose gold. Peculiar. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 25th January 2019 at 10:05 AM.

25th January 2019, 08:39 AM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello David, The pamor pattern of your blade is difficult to identify with some certainty because it is scattered and significantly worn-out. One assumption would be pamor tambal (patch) but I would rather think that it used to be a full pamor pattern such as lar gangsir (cricket wings) but eroded with time. Other opinions are welcome. Regarding the style of hilt, I agree that it probably originates from Solo but am not sure that it can be classified as Narada Kandha because of its unusual curved shape, see a more typical specimen. Regards Attached Images

25th January 2019, 12:04 PM	#7
David Gallas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 24	replay Dear Mister David, you are correct, but my disappointment was not about the pendok, but more of my own mis about the gold.... Dear Mister Maisey, i agree with what you see. I"ll try to upload some pictures with as bench mark some other keris with pendok, and with a white shit on the background. The pendok is absolute darker. Thank you for the name suasa bubul, i didn't know that! Dear Mister Jean, i also thought, like you and mister David that it is probably Solo but i was not completely sure because of the odd form. Naranda Khanda is from a spiritual view very plausible because if you can have the messanger of the god as a guard for your pusaka... Looking at an other person with belly, then Bima would also be a great guard, the big hero of the Mahabarata, but doesn't know if that exist. I also think your right about a twisted pamor. It would be nice to know, a new keris is always a puzzle, trying to get into the mind of the creator of the keris.... Attached Images

25th January 2019, 10:04 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	This type of hilt is what we call a "kagok" hilt, the word "kagok" means awkward or strange, it is a description rather than a name. This type of kagok hilt with exaggerated angular form is usually associated with Jawa Timur, more to the west than to the East. It really does not belong on this wrongko.

25th January 2019, 05:50 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,209	Agreed, the hilt has some age and is well carved, but it appears younger than the rest of this ensemble and i agree with Alan that it does not seem quite right for it. Alan, i find it is quite often impossible to tell the actual color of objects in internet photos. They are taken by people with a great range of photographic skills and usually not white balanced or color corrected properly to show accurate colors. Most unskilled photographers are therefore at the mercy of the available light they are shooting in matched against the often incorrect accuracy of the auto white balance of whatever level of camera they are shooting with.