warangka for identification

Jean · 20th December 2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I have never met any person who is regarded as an expert in the culture of the keris who was prepared to designate any particular keris style as being unique to any particular part of Sumatera.

What I was taught, and what my own experience has verified, is that the lack of consistency in keris which supposedly originate from Sumatera, and especially from Palembang, makes it impossible to support a tangguh classification of Palembang, or of any other place in Sumatera, based upon indicators that have more or less definite parameters.

Hello Alan,
I agree that the tangguh system is completely irrelevant for the krisses originating from elsewhere than Java and arguably Madura and Bali.
IMO there are some Sumatra kris blades which are specific to some regions such as the short 3 waves krisses from Minangkabau, and the bahari and panjang krisses from Riau. However the bahari and panjang blades are also fitted with other types of scabbards, especially Minang.
I agree that the kris blades from Palembang exist under various types but the style shown in posts # 21, 23, 24, and 30 seems to be very consistent and probably specific to Palembang or South Sumatra IMO.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 20th December 2018, 11:32 AM

Jean, with the utmost respect I would like to make the point that you are thinking and writing as a collector who is using a perspective that I was taught had very little value in the appraisal of the keris.

This Forum is an English language Forum, and the values and attitudes of the contributors to discussion here are firmly based in the collecting traditions of Western European culture.

I believe that you are aware that I take only passing interest in keris that originate from outside the Jawa-Bali nexus, I have solid reasons for this rather focused approach and because I do not wish to offend anybody, and I would like to continue to participate in discussion in this Forum, I will reserve my response to the points that you have made.

Gustav · 30th July 2019, 05:52 PM

There was another Keris auctioned last week, with some corresponding features - generally the same style sheath, talismanic inlays on Gonjo of similar kind.

A Yaksha/Rakshasa hilt with some unusual/individual features.

The interesting thing about it - it was brought to England by James Alms (1728 - 1791), officer of the Royal Navy, possibly at latest 1784.

Paul B. · 31st July 2019, 05:41 AM

Referring to the initial post of that nice Palembang kris I noticed the adapted slot opening. Seems to have contained quite a square model.

Gustav · 31st July 2019, 09:36 PM

That is just an inlay, about 4 mm thick. Under it the wrongko exactly fits Gandhik.
Similar inlay, of the same thickness, missing on Kepet side.

Just a cosmetic repair, done long time ago.

30th July 2019, 05:52 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	There was another Keris auctioned last week, with some corresponding features - generally the same style sheath, talismanic inlays on Gonjo of similar kind. A Yaksha/Rakshasa hilt with some unusual/individual features. The interesting thing about it - it was brought to England by James Alms (1728 - 1791), officer of the Royal Navy, possibly at latest 1784. Attached Images

31st July 2019, 05:41 AM	#4
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Referring to the initial post of that nice Palembang kris I noticed the adapted slot opening. Seems to have contained quite a square model. Attached Images

20th December 2018, 11:32 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Jean, with the utmost respect I would like to make the point that you are thinking and writing as a collector who is using a perspective that I was taught had very little value in the appraisal of the keris. This Forum is an English language Forum, and the values and attitudes of the contributors to discussion here are firmly based in the collecting traditions of Western European culture. I believe that you are aware that I take only passing interest in keris that originate from outside the Jawa-Bali nexus, I have solid reasons for this rather focused approach and because I do not wish to offend anybody, and I would like to continue to participate in discussion in this Forum, I will reserve my response to the points that you have made.

31st July 2019, 09:36 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	That is just an inlay, about 4 mm thick. Under it the wrongko exactly fits Gandhik. Similar inlay, of the same thickness, missing on Kepet side. Just a cosmetic repair, done long time ago.