Help to identifying a Wilkinson London blade

[Belgian1]

Hello everyone,
I'm not quite convinced yet but I'm a fact that you teach me interesting things .
This blade guides me to the early nineteenth but, because there is a but, I will try to find if Wilkinson has produced this type of blade for police hanger. When I have raised this mystery, if I succeed, then I will present to you to share, my "conclusions"
For now I put this beautiful "enigma" next to my other British "treasure"
Kind regards from Belgium

[Norman McCormick]

Hi,
Perhaps this might help. http://www.oldpolicecellsmuseum.org..../police_swords

Regards,
Norman.

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Fabrice,
Another N.C.O. sword from Wilkinson.
Regards,
Norman.

[Belgian1]

Hello Norman, hello everyone,
Thank you very much for these photos and internet links. I know well this Wilkinson mark that you present to me in photos. It is indeed a marking for the blades of great production intended for the troops, but which does not correspond to the period of the hanger that I present. I know I insist on this detail, but it makes the difference and is in my opinion "an exception" with other models or type of police hanger. Maybe someone of you can show me a "Wilkinson London" marking on a blade of this type, mounted in police hanger? What I'm trying to understand is, why he's so different from other police hanger but most of all, I'm looking for the same hanger with a "Wilkinson London" mark. You will understand that if I decided to buy this hanger, it is neither for its state of conservation nor for its model which could have been rather common but for its curved blade of the type of "heavy cavalry" but of 61 cm and its marking really unusual or unknown in this case.
Reason why, I had thought of a precursor early XIXth by James Wilkinson or an attempt to contract with a specific County Police Unit.....
I'll have to find another one to start a documentation
Kind regards from Belgium
Fabrice

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Belgian1

Hello everyone,
I'm not quite convinced yet but I'm a fact that you teach me interesting things .
This blade guides me to the early nineteenth but, because there is a but, I will try to find if Wilkinson has produced this type of blade for police hanger. When I have raised this mystery, if I succeed, then I will present to you to share, my "conclusions"
For now I put this beautiful "enigma" next to my other British "treasure"
Kind regards from Belgium

Fabrice, if I may say so, I will tell you that your stubbornness and tenacity in not accepting everything presented is the mark of a true researcher, and I admire your approach. Actually it is not that anyone is 'teaching' anyone else, but we are all learning together.

This field of collecting is one that is seldom traveled and items are, though considered 'common' or munitions grade....they are indeed rare as they were not produced in large volume.

Your theory that this could be an earlier example produced by Wilkinson may actually have possible plausibility as Wilkinson's firm as you know was primarily a gun maker in earlier years (from the Nock firm). As you note these firms often engaged in carrying bayonets and other items besides guns in the manner of contract production companies. There may be the case where Wilkinson might have contracted a subcontractor to produce a number of these on their behalf, and used a 'racked' stamp to place their name at the forte. These kinds of 'cross contracts' or subcontractors seem to be a regular element of business in these cases which was not necessarily well recorded other than probably daily accounting processes.

It is great when someone posts an item, especially an unusual one, and actively researches and shares their findings as well as querying other details here. Well done Fabrice! and please keep us posted OK?

[Belgian1]

Hi Jim, and good morning to all members.
Thank you for your point of view. I decided to join your discussion forum because it is known on the internet that the vast majority of members are first and foremost passionate and looking for "historical" answers to their questions but also a real group of voluntary help and exchange of information, which is becoming rare in the domain of the collection.
Over time, I hope to have the opportunity to find another owner of this kind of hanger with the same mark to share our opinions or certitudes and at this time I will not fail to share my information with you to participate in the great interest of this Forum and that continues its historic and "educational" mission

Kind regards from Belgium
Fabrice

[victoriansword]

Hello, I am new here. This is, as has already been pointed out, a British police hanger from the Victorian period. "Wilkinson London" is a stamp used from at least the 1880s by Henry Wilkinson, Pall Mall, London. Matt Easton has a "sold archive" on his website containing photos of a few Indian cavalry troopers' swords from c.1880 which have stamps identical to the one on the Police sword in the first post. Here are the links to those swords:

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[fernando]

Originally Posted by victoriansword

... Hello, I am new here...

As you didn't first read our rules and noticed that links to sources connected to active sales are not permitted, victoriansword.
The suggestion would be saving images you select to your computer files and then upload them using the forum attachments features.
... And welcome to our forum !

[Jim McDougall]

Hi Victorian Sword...……..first and foremost, welcome to the forum!!!!
Thank you very much for the confirmation on that particular style of Wilkinson marking and that it does indeed date from c 1880s. While the suggestion of this being an early form of these hangers was interesting, it is good to have more input bringing the character of the mark into perspective.

[victoriansword]

Here are the swords I mentioned above:

[victoriansword]

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