Boabdil swords and Jineta

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Excellent thread! In trying to catch up on proceedings I read this http://gladius.revistas.csic.es/inde...ewFile/204/206 which is interesting placing the Perillo mark in the same category as other famous sword smiths more in line with a quality stamp than that of an actual maker..

[Iain]

I don't think this example was added yet from the Alava Arms Museum, as well as another recently uncovered at Ain castle in Castellón.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Iain

I don't think this example was added yet from the Alava Arms Museum, as well as another recently uncovered at Ain castle in Castellón.

Thank you Iain, it's a fantastic 14th c. example!
Do you think they lost one copper ring in the process from the site to the Museum? And do you think these rings were used to hold the grips?
This sword is very interesting but to me it's not a Jineta.

[Iain]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you Iain, it's a fantastic 14th c. example!
Do you think they lost one copper ring in the process from the site to the Museum? And do you think these rings were used to hold the grips?
This sword is very interesting but to me it's not a Jineta.

To be clear these are two different swords. The images on the white background are from the Alava sword.

I think it is likely there was another ring that was lost at some point, yes they were used to hold the grips, likely two pieces of wood, possibly with cloth or leather.

Regarding the name, "war jineta" or jineta de combate is a term sometimes used regarding these as opposed to the more elaborately decorated examples. Personally I am more interested in the form than debating the name as this is the type of blade carried by Jinete cavalry.

The museum example is 12th century, while the excavated find is tentatively placed within the 14th century.

[Kubur]

I'm interested by both, names and shapes.
Without names and vocabulary it's difficult to differenciate diffrent models.

[RAMBA]

Auction description - "An unusual long straight possibly Islamic sword with elephant heads on its handle sides and possibly Arabic writing on blade"

This sword sold at auction recently and I was wondering if it is in fact a Jineta from Granada, Spain from the Moorish rule period or a later Victorian interpretation?

[Philip]

It gives the impression of being a later interpretation: if Victorian era then British India may be a possibility considering the ellyfunts. My recollection of Moorish art is that such depictions of animals tends to be quite out-of-place in the tradition. Which makes an anomaly such as the sculptures in the Court of Lions at the Alhambra in Granada so much more remarkable.