IVORY POMMEL MORO KRIS FOR ID PLEASE

[Rick]

Maybe we might consider this kris as a 'transitional' style.
Do I see activity in the core of this sword?

[CharlesS]

David,

I see your point. The blade is wider than typical with far more shallow luks, but when I look at the whole thing in its entirety it strikes me as archaic, even more so if it etches out to a twistcore. We can surely agree that it is at least early 19th century.

I think Battara may have a good point as well...that it is a variation of the "archaic" form.

I hate getting tied into jargon that is too "rule-making" on these type of issues because it has been my experience that every time we think we have found a line or defining feature, there can be an exception to the rule.

[chiefheadknocker]

Thanks for all your input , this sword is quite small compared with the one it came with ,total length of the blade is 49 cm , I have attached a picture of them together

[Sajen]

Lello Matt,

very nice Sulu kris! But the other one is very interesting as well, can you please post some more pictures?

Regards,
Detlef

[chiefheadknocker]

Hi Detlef , Thanks , ive allways liked the moro Kris swords but cant say I know much about them ,but managed to pick these both up at a local auction , I have posted a few pics of the other sword which is also a little scuffed but no serious rust etc , the top of the handle looks like horn , then copper rings with brass inbetween , and silver decoration , im not sure if I should clean these parts or not ?
regards
mat

[David]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

David,

I see your point. The blade is wider than typical with far more shallow luks, but when I look at the whole thing in its entirety it strikes me as archaic, even more so if it etches out to a twistcore. We can surely agree that it is at least early 19th century.

I think Battara may have a good point as well...that it is a variation of the "archaic" form.

I hate getting tied into jargon that is too "rule-making" on these type of issues because it has been my experience that every time we think we have found a line or defining feature, there can be an exception to the rule.

Yes, i would agree that this kris is probably early 19th century and possibly even a bit earlier. I have never really liked the term "archaic" that Cato used for the even earlier blades, but this blade looks a little later than those and, as i stated already, a transition into a later style of kris blade.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, i would agree that this kris is probably early 19th century and possibly even a bit earlier. I have never really liked the term "archaic" that Cato used for the even earlier blades, but this blade looks a little later than those and, as i stated already, a transition into a later style of kris blade.

I think "transition" may be the perfect word here in indicating where this kriss fits into the Moro spectrum.

[chiefheadknocker]

I have lightly etched the sulu blade , I believe it reveals a twistcore pattern ?

[Ian]

Yes, it does show a twist core pattern. Very nice sword and unusual. The notion that it could be a transition sword between the shorter, slimmer versions of the 18th C, and later, broader-bladed kris, seems plausible to me.
Ian

[CharlesS]

Good looking twistcore! That one might even be worthy of a professional polish.

[chiefheadknocker]

Originally Posted by Ian

Yes, it does show a twist core pattern. Very nice sword and unusual. The notion that it could be a transition sword between the shorter, slimmer versions of the 18th C, and later, broader-bladed kris, seems plausible to me.
Ian

Thanks ian , I thought this must be twist core pattern , before etching it there no visible signs , the sword did come with a scabbard that has been broken but im not sure if its original one for it , it does have some writing on it in ink , I will upload a pic