kulah khud for comment

Aqtai · 7th April 2006, 06:27 PM

Congratulations Valjhun, it is certainly a very attractive piece, with all the bits present, i.e. the spike, the nasal bar, the plume holders, the mail camail etc, often one or more of these is missing or damaged.

My guess from the shape, the length of the mail camail and style of decoration is that it is Indian, mid to late 19th century. As to which part of India though i have absolutely no idea. India had many regions with many different local styles of decoration. B.I. might be the man to ask where Indian armour is concerned.

My guess is that the mail is unrivetted, am I right?

I would love to own one of these babies BTW, but with a wife, 3 kids and a mortgage that is a plan for the distant future. I am green with envy.

ariel · 8th April 2006, 02:46 AM

I like them and would love to have one, but I am afraid my wife might insist on me putting it on for a family album. No sense embarrassing one's great-grandchildren.

Rick · 8th April 2006, 03:15 AM

There is a picture I would pay to see Ariel .

I'm sorry we are boring you Valjhun .............

B.I · 8th April 2006, 11:50 AM

hi,
its a nice a decorative helmet. i strongly feel the date is late (late 20thC). the decoration is nice, and found on contempory jambiyas made in india for export.
there are a few types of later helmet, and of them all this is the most decorative and 'authentic' looking. if you consider that the majority of 19thC helmets (both indian and persian) were made as decorative items and not to be worn, then your helmet has the same merit in any collection.
would be interested in seeing images of this -

Aqtai · 8th April 2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by B.I

hi,
its a nice a decorative helmet. i strongly feel the date is late (late 20thC). the decoration is nice, and found on contempory jambiyas made in india for export.
there are a few types of later helmet, and of them all this is the most decorative and 'authentic' looking. if you consider that the majority of 19thC helmets (both indian and persian) were made as decorative items and not to be worn, then your helmet has the same merit in any collection.
would be interested in seeing images of this -

That possibility didn't even cross my mind. I am aware that reproductions/replicas of kulah khuds are made in India, but the quality of the ones I have seen on the internet is quite poor, by contrast Valjhun's new helmet seems very well made, with rather tasteful decoration.

I suppose the reason I didn't consider that possibility is because a- the camail looks rusted and b- the bowl looks like it has a patina.

Valjhun · 9th April 2006, 05:50 PM

Well... It is not mine yet, and I think that will not be mine

Sorry B.I., I recived thoose photos by mail, I cannot photo that thing you're pointing.

Can anybody post pictures of a genuine 18 century (or older) kulah or turkish helmet?

Thanks!

Aqtai · 9th April 2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Valjhun

Well... It is not mine yet, and I think that will not be mine

Sorry B.I., I recived thoose photos by mail, I cannot photo that thing you're pointing.

Can anybody post pictures of a genuine 18 century (or older) kulah or turkish helmet?

Thanks!

These are from H. R. Robinson's "Oriental Armour":

This is from David Alexander's "THE ARTS OF WAR. Arms and Armour of the 7th to 19th centuries (The Nasser D. Khalili Collection of Islamic Art, VOL XXI)":
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...n_19th_c_1.jpg

I can't remember the title of this book, it's Polish though:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11.../Separs65B.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...SeparmailA.jpg

These are my photos, the helmets are 18th century Iranian and are in the Royal Armouries, Leeds:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...ina_RA_013.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...hud_RA_030.jpg

This helmet is Indian and is in the V&A Museum, London:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...Top_18th_C.jpg

Also check out this:
http://www.oriental-arms.com/search....&s.x=10&s.y=11

7th April 2006, 06:27 PM	#1
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	Congratulations Valjhun, it is certainly a very attractive piece, with all the bits present, i.e. the spike, the nasal bar, the plume holders, the mail camail etc, often one or more of these is missing or damaged. My guess from the shape, the length of the mail camail and style of decoration is that it is Indian, mid to late 19th century. As to which part of India though i have absolutely no idea. India had many regions with many different local styles of decoration. B.I. might be the man to ask where Indian armour is concerned. My guess is that the mail is unrivetted, am I right? I would love to own one of these babies BTW, but with a wife, 3 kids and a mortgage that is a plan for the distant future. I am green with envy. Last edited by Aqtai; 8th April 2006 at 02:01 PM.

8th April 2006, 11:50 AM	#4
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi, its a nice a decorative helmet. i strongly feel the date is late (late 20thC). the decoration is nice, and found on contempory jambiyas made in india for export. there are a few types of later helmet, and of them all this is the most decorative and 'authentic' looking. if you consider that the majority of 19thC helmets (both indian and persian) were made as decorative items and not to be worn, then your helmet has the same merit in any collection. would be interested in seeing images of this - Attached Images

8th April 2006, 02:46 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I like them and would love to have one, but I am afraid my wife might insist on me putting it on for a family album. No sense embarrassing one's great-grandchildren.

8th April 2006, 03:15 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	There is a picture I would pay to see Ariel . I'm sorry we are boring you Valjhun .............

9th April 2006, 05:50 PM	#6
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Well... It is not mine yet, and I think that will not be mine Sorry B.I., I recived thoose photos by mail, I cannot photo that thing you're pointing. Can anybody post pictures of a genuine 18 century (or older) kulah or turkish helmet? Thanks!