Kikik added to an older blade?

Sajen · 17th July 2018, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

But I can give a tentative opinion, and in that opinion I will say that this singo barong was not added to the blade at some time after its original manufacture.

I feel that perhaps the irregularity in pamor distribution that is shown in your keris is the result of some layers of pamor having lifted and peeled away from the core.

Hello Bjorn,

I would agree with the both statements from Alan.

Regards,
Detlef

Bjorn · 17th July 2018, 08:32 PM

Alan, Detlef, thank you both for your replies.

Regarding alterations made to a wilah, I'm of the opinion that intent is the crucial factor here - even though there are times when the true intention may never be known to us.

If an alteration was made by an owner to mark an occasion in his life, then I feel that adds to the keris. If it was done by a merchant in order to fetch a higher price, then I feel it detracts from the keris, at least in some measure.

As regards this blade, I've always found it very charming but my curiosity was piqued after I noticed those lines running through the sogokan.
If the kikik was added at a later date, then I'd still be charmed by this keris.
If it happens to be original, then I'd be charmed just a little bit more.

A. G. Maisey · 17th July 2018, 10:08 PM

Yes Bjorn, intent is the crucial factor.

If an alteration is undertaken by a merchant, that merchant's intent is very probably to increase his profit. I doubt that anybody would argue with this.

However, if we consider the cost of an alteration such as the placement of a figure --- naga, singo, puthut --- into the body of a keris, by the use of forge techniques, then we are looking at a cost that would negate any increase in profit.

This is not to say that such profit driven alterations did not take place (note:- past tense) but when they did occur the work was invariably crude, or crudely disguised, usually by a profusion of gold that covered the joints.

Bjorn · 18th July 2018, 07:45 AM

Thanks, Alan. That is useful information, especially for one who is not all that familiar with the economic benefits and costs associated with such alterations.

17th July 2018, 08:32 PM	#2
Bjorn Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 188	Alan, Detlef, thank you both for your replies. Regarding alterations made to a wilah, I'm of the opinion that intent is the crucial factor here - even though there are times when the true intention may never be known to us. If an alteration was made by an owner to mark an occasion in his life, then I feel that adds to the keris. If it was done by a merchant in order to fetch a higher price, then I feel it detracts from the keris, at least in some measure. As regards this blade, I've always found it very charming but my curiosity was piqued after I noticed those lines running through the sogokan. If the kikik was added at a later date, then I'd still be charmed by this keris. If it happens to be original, then I'd be charmed just a little bit more.

17th July 2018, 10:08 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Yes Bjorn, intent is the crucial factor. If an alteration is undertaken by a merchant, that merchant's intent is very probably to increase his profit. I doubt that anybody would argue with this. However, if we consider the cost of an alteration such as the placement of a figure --- naga, singo, puthut --- into the body of a keris, by the use of forge techniques, then we are looking at a cost that would negate any increase in profit. This is not to say that such profit driven alterations did not take place (note:- past tense) but when they did occur the work was invariably crude, or crudely disguised, usually by a profusion of gold that covered the joints.

18th July 2018, 07:45 AM	#4
Bjorn Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 188	Thanks, Alan. That is useful information, especially for one who is not all that familiar with the economic benefits and costs associated with such alterations.