Flintlock musket for Comment

Battara · 13th June 2018, 12:41 AM

I like the butt but I LOVE the barrel! Congratulations!

corrado26 · 13th June 2018, 08:55 AM

I think the eagle mark on the lockplate could be the sign of the Moskau Arsenal ca. 1770
corrado26

rickystl · 13th June 2018, 02:22 PM

Hi Ivo

WOW!! Nice find. Congratulations.

A very interesting musket. Would like to see more pics if you have a chance. Butt plate, left side of gun, wrist area, etc.

Yes, the butt stock is exactly like the so called Dzeferdar style muskets made at the many gun shops in the Balkans. The style of butt stock actually derives from Italian style long guns from the late 17th to early 18th Century. The lock has that Germanic style that was popular during the third and fourth quarters of the 18th Century, and appears to be a European export lock. Does not look like a locally made copy. And the barrel is really cool !!! Appears engraved/chiseled it's entire length.

Again, a really neat gun.

Rick

Kubur · 13th June 2018, 03:34 PM

Rick said everything...
I'm not surprised by the barrel, the barrels on these guns are always cool.
I'm more surprised by the lock... I would place your gun in the 18th c.

Ivo · 13th June 2018, 08:30 PM

Thank you !
Of course , I will do more pictures and upload them.
Yes - lock is not a local copy and is not replaced ...

Ivo · 14th June 2018, 01:22 PM

caliber - 19 mm

rickystl · 14th June 2018, 08:49 PM

Hi Ivo

Thanks so much for the additional photos. Some additional comments......

The decorative brass piece surrounding the breach plug tank was a common feature on many Ottoman long guns. And the zig-zag type engraving is very similar to many brass, ottoman barrel bands I've seen. So the gun could have been made for an Ottoman customer (?)
The engraving on the barrel looks fairly generic. So I don't really notice any paticular origin. However, the double bead from sight was a common feature on earlier Persian made barrels. So the barrel could be older than the rest of the gun.
The lock id definately of European origin. The tumbler and cover, and the overall build quality show this to me.
I see a couple of small holes, but it otherwise appears to have been made without a trigger guard. Or does it look like it is missing ?

Again, that's for posting the additional pics. Very nice find.

Rick

13th June 2018, 02:22 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Ivo WOW!! Nice find. Congratulations. A very interesting musket. Would like to see more pics if you have a chance. Butt plate, left side of gun, wrist area, etc. Yes, the butt stock is exactly like the so called Dzeferdar style muskets made at the many gun shops in the Balkans. The style of butt stock actually derives from Italian style long guns from the late 17th to early 18th Century. The lock has that Germanic style that was popular during the third and fourth quarters of the 18th Century, and appears to be a European export lock. Does not look like a locally made copy. And the barrel is really cool !!! Appears engraved/chiseled it's entire length. Again, a really neat gun. Rick Last edited by rickystl; 13th June 2018 at 09:59 PM.

14th June 2018, 01:22 PM	#6
Ivo Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 38	caliber - 19 mm Attached Images

13th June 2018, 12:41 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	I like the butt but I LOVE the barrel! Congratulations!

13th June 2018, 08:55 AM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	I think the eagle mark on the lockplate could be the sign of the Moskau Arsenal ca. 1770 corrado26

13th June 2018, 03:34 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Rick said everything... I'm not surprised by the barrel, the barrels on these guns are always cool. I'm more surprised by the lock... I would place your gun in the 18th c.

13th June 2018, 08:30 PM	#5
Ivo Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 38	Thank you ! Of course , I will do more pictures and upload them. Yes - lock is not a local copy and is not replaced ...

14th June 2018, 08:49 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Ivo Thanks so much for the additional photos. Some additional comments...... The decorative brass piece surrounding the breach plug tank was a common feature on many Ottoman long guns. And the zig-zag type engraving is very similar to many brass, ottoman barrel bands I've seen. So the gun could have been made for an Ottoman customer (?) The engraving on the barrel looks fairly generic. So I don't really notice any paticular origin. However, the double bead from sight was a common feature on earlier Persian made barrels. So the barrel could be older than the rest of the gun. The lock id definately of European origin. The tumbler and cover, and the overall build quality show this to me. I see a couple of small holes, but it otherwise appears to have been made without a trigger guard. Or does it look like it is missing ? Again, that's for posting the additional pics. Very nice find. Rick