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Spunjer · 2nd April 2006, 02:14 PM

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The bat head suggests Batangas, as does the blade shape, brass ferrule and small guard. I vote Batangas (Luzon) for this one

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ian,

yes, that's what i was thinking as well. the scabbard also screams luzon. well, batangueno, lol.

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The middle one of the three, with the longer than average punto, might come from the Samal people...

you notice the punto too, huh? the latest one, it does have a short punto. as for the gap, another forumite mentioned that most likely it had a carabao horn ring around it at one time...

as for your latest acquisition, it's a nice one, ian. maybe this link about tagbanuas will be of help:

http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tagbanua_frame.html

ron

VVV · 2nd April 2006, 02:52 PM

Ian and Ron,
Do you think that mine in this thread also is from Batangas?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

I haven't seen that many swords from there, only Balisongs, so I don't have a clue?
Another member also commented it, off the forum, as Batangas.

Michael

Spunjer · 2nd April 2006, 03:07 PM

well, it's just an assumption, michael, about mine being batangas in origin. i'm also basing it on what ian mentioned. the scabbard with yours does look visayan, tho. hmmmm...

Ian · 2nd April 2006, 05:39 PM

Michael:

Even though your example looks like a typical Malay parang naibur, as described and illustrated in Stone, the full length tang with terminal plate on the hilt is unusual for Malay weapons which are almost always of a blind tang construction. I say "almost always" because although I have not seen a full length tang I don't exclude the possibility that someone else may have.

So I think your example is probably from Batangas also. The sheath does look Pilipino rather than from Borneo. Batangas, even though part of Luzon, is close to the Visayas and that style of scabbard could be from Batangas also.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by VVV

Ian and Ron,
Do you think that mine in this thread also is from Batangas?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

I haven't seen that many swords from there, only Balisongs, so I don't have a clue?
Another member also commented it, off the forum, as Batangas.

Michael

Ian · 2nd April 2006, 05:48 PM

Thanks Ron.

Very helpful information on that site. So the Tagbanua people are animists who happened to have lived under the Brunei Sultanate for a few hundred years, as well as enduring Western rule from the Spanish and Americans.

Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

Ian.

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

ian,

as for your latest acquisition, it's a nice one, ian. maybe this link about tagbanuas will be of help:

http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tagbanua_frame.html

ron

M.carter · 2nd April 2006, 07:08 PM

Not really old, nothing special. Arab saif with silver fittings, bone slabs hilt. There are also some markings on the forte of the blade, but nothing of importance

Sorry for the bad pic.

VVV · 2nd April 2006, 07:08 PM

Thanks Ian and Ron for helping me identify my sword!

Michael

PS Ian, the Borneo Parang Nabur is actually one of the exceptions of a full length tang Malay sword. But it has a wing screw at the top of the hilt, not a plate.

Ian · 2nd April 2006, 10:41 PM

Michael:

You are absolutely correct. I was thinking of the end plate-peened tang construction when I made the comment above. Loose statement on my part.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by VVV

PS Ian, the Borneo Parang Nabur is actually one of the exceptions of a full length tang Malay sword. But it has a wing screw at the top of the hilt, not a plate.

Spunjer · 3rd April 2006, 11:43 AM

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Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

interesting, ian. didn't know that the predominant dialect over there is tagalog. i always assumed that since it's in the same latitude as the visayan region, a variant of the visayan dialect would be spoken there....

zelbone · 12th May 2006, 10:32 PM

I'd like to see this shed...

Spunjer · 17th May 2006, 03:23 AM

Danganan Kris with blade of sulu origin. 18th c. low grade silver kakatua and banati tagub (mindanao ???) appears to be of later addition, perhaps 19th c. OAL = 26". blade = 21"

roshan · 20th February 2008, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Thanks Ron.

Very helpful information on that site. So the Tagbanua people are animists who happened to have lived under the Brunei Sultanate for a few hundred years, as well as enduring Western rule from the Spanish and Americans.

Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

Ian.

This is simply due to migration from parts of the Philippines with high population densities to areas with lower ones, resulting in the natives of those regions being reduced to minorities, and eventually, assimilated. This isnt something unique to Palawan. The large island of Mindoro, which lies between Palawan and the Tagalog speaking areas of Luzon has shared the same fate. Much of Mindanao has been turned into a Visayan "lebensraum" and Cebuano is now the lingua franca of much of the region. Similarly, the Ilocanos have spread out from their core Ilocos region and have Ilocanized most of northern Luzon.

Palawan has a lot of native languages, Tagbanwa is not the only one. There is also the Palawan language, as well as other tribal tongues. Interestingly, the Tagbanwa are amongst the few peoples of the Philippines who continue to use native writing systems of Brahmi (Sanskrit alphabet) origin.

I think in a couple of generations, we are going to see a drastic reduction in the number of languages and ethnic groups in the Philippines.

kahnjar1 · 20th February 2008, 06:50 AM

This was subject of earlier thread. Managed to "extract" it from its owner, and it now lives with the rest of my Dha.

CharlesS · 20th February 2008, 03:35 PM

As a lover of cross cultural pieces, I am absolutely in love with this "dha-war".

Very interesting. Do you think it was all "born together", or composite, and if composite, older or younger??

Thanks for sharing.

kahnjar1 · 20th February 2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

As a lover of cross cultural pieces, I am absolutely in love with this "dha-war".

Very interesting. Do you think it was all "born together", or composite, and if composite, older or younger??

Thanks for sharing.

Hi Charles,
Refer previous thread dated 30th January "Help with Identification Please". All discussion re this item is there.
Regards Stuart

2nd April 2006, 07:08 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Ian and Ron for helping me identify my sword! Michael PS Ian, the Borneo Parang Nabur is actually one of the exceptions of a full length tang Malay sword. But it has a wing screw at the top of the hilt, not a plate. Last edited by VVV; 2nd April 2006 at 07:51 PM.

17th May 2006, 03:23 AM	#11
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Danganan Kris Danganan Kris with blade of sulu origin. 18th c. low grade silver kakatua and banati tagub (mindanao ???) appears to be of later addition, perhaps 19th c. OAL = 26". blade = 21" Attached Images

20th February 2008, 06:50 AM	#13
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	GOT IT!! This was subject of earlier thread. Managed to "extract" it from its owner, and it now lives with the rest of my Dha. Attached Images

2nd April 2006, 02:52 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Ian and Ron, Do you think that mine in this thread also is from Batangas? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906 I haven't seen that many swords from there, only Balisongs, so I don't have a clue? Another member also commented it, off the forum, as Batangas. Michael

2nd April 2006, 03:07 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	well, it's just an assumption, michael, about mine being batangas in origin. i'm also basing it on what ian mentioned. the scabbard with yours does look visayan, tho. hmmmm...

2nd April 2006, 07:08 PM	#6
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	Not really old, nothing special. Arab saif with silver fittings, bone slabs hilt. There are also some markings on the forte of the blade, but nothing of importance Sorry for the bad pic.

12th May 2006, 10:32 PM	#10
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	I'd like to see this shed...

20th February 2008, 03:35 PM	#14
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	As a lover of cross cultural pieces, I am absolutely in love with this "dha-war". Very interesting. Do you think it was all "born together", or composite, and if composite, older or younger?? Thanks for sharing.