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[galvano]

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[Flavio]

Originally Posted by galvano

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GREAT !!!!!!

[Yannis]

Originally Posted by galvano

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Four good khyber swords with two scabbards and an a interesting shield. Ottoman?

[Spunjer]

The bat head suggests Batangas, as does the blade shape, brass ferrule and small guard. I vote Batangas (Luzon) for this one

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ian,

yes, that's what i was thinking as well. the scabbard also screams luzon. well, batangueno, lol.

The middle one of the three, with the longer than average punto, might come from the Samal people...

you notice the punto too, huh? the latest one, it does have a short punto. as for the gap, another forumite mentioned that most likely it had a carabao horn ring around it at one time...

as for your latest acquisition, it's a nice one, ian. maybe this link about tagbanuas will be of help:

http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tagbanua_frame.html


ron

[VVV]

Ian and Ron,
Do you think that mine in this thread also is from Batangas?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

I haven't seen that many swords from there, only Balisongs, so I don't have a clue?
Another member also commented it, off the forum, as Batangas.

Michael

[Spunjer]

well, it's just an assumption, michael, about mine being batangas in origin. i'm also basing it on what ian mentioned. the scabbard with yours does look visayan, tho. hmmmm...

[Ian]

Michael:

Even though your example looks like a typical Malay parang naibur, as described and illustrated in Stone, the full length tang with terminal plate on the hilt is unusual for Malay weapons which are almost always of a blind tang construction. I say "almost always" because although I have not seen a full length tang I don't exclude the possibility that someone else may have.

So I think your example is probably from Batangas also. The sheath does look Pilipino rather than from Borneo. Batangas, even though part of Luzon, is close to the Visayas and that style of scabbard could be from Batangas also.

Ian.

Originally Posted by VVV

Ian and Ron,
Do you think that mine in this thread also is from Batangas?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

I haven't seen that many swords from there, only Balisongs, so I don't have a clue?
Another member also commented it, off the forum, as Batangas.

Michael

[Ian]

Thanks Ron.

Very helpful information on that site. So the Tagbanua people are animists who happened to have lived under the Brunei Sultanate for a few hundred years, as well as enduring Western rule from the Spanish and Americans.

Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

Ian.

Originally Posted by Spunjer

ian,

as for your latest acquisition, it's a nice one, ian. maybe this link about tagbanuas will be of help:

http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tagbanua_frame.html

ron

[M.carter]

Not really old, nothing special. Arab saif with silver fittings, bone slabs hilt. There are also some markings on the forte of the blade, but nothing of importance

Sorry for the bad pic.

[VVV]

Thanks Ian and Ron for helping me identify my sword!

Michael

PS Ian, the Borneo Parang Nabur is actually one of the exceptions of a full length tang Malay sword. But it has a wing screw at the top of the hilt, not a plate.

[Ian]

Michael:

You are absolutely correct. I was thinking of the end plate-peened tang construction when I made the comment above. Loose statement on my part.

Ian.

Originally Posted by VVV

PS Ian, the Borneo Parang Nabur is actually one of the exceptions of a full length tang Malay sword. But it has a wing screw at the top of the hilt, not a plate.

[Spunjer]

Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

interesting, ian. didn't know that the predominant dialect over there is tagalog. i always assumed that since it's in the same latitude as the visayan region, a variant of the visayan dialect would be spoken there....

[roshan]

Originally Posted by Ian

Thanks Ron.

Very helpful information on that site. So the Tagbanua people are animists who happened to have lived under the Brunei Sultanate for a few hundred years, as well as enduring Western rule from the Spanish and Americans.

Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

Ian.

This is simply due to migration from parts of the Philippines with high population densities to areas with lower ones, resulting in the natives of those regions being reduced to minorities, and eventually, assimilated. This isnt something unique to Palawan. The large island of Mindoro, which lies between Palawan and the Tagalog speaking areas of Luzon has shared the same fate. Much of Mindanao has been turned into a Visayan "lebensraum" and Cebuano is now the lingua franca of much of the region. Similarly, the Ilocanos have spread out from their core Ilocos region and have Ilocanized most of northern Luzon.

Palawan has a lot of native languages, Tagbanwa is not the only one. There is also the Palawan language, as well as other tribal tongues. Interestingly, the Tagbanwa are amongst the few peoples of the Philippines who continue to use native writing systems of Brahmi (Sanskrit alphabet) origin.

I think in a couple of generations, we are going to see a drastic reduction in the number of languages and ethnic groups in the Philippines.

[kahnjar1]

This was subject of earlier thread. Managed to "extract" it from its owner, and it now lives with the rest of my Dha.

[CharlesS]

As a lover of cross cultural pieces, I am absolutely in love with this "dha-war".

Very interesting. Do you think it was all "born together", or composite, and if composite, older or younger??

Thanks for sharing.