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9th May 2018, 10:21 AM
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Does anyone know this language?
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I searched in vain for a translator for this inscription. Hope to help the many members of this forum. Kurt |
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9th May 2018, 10:33 AM
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9th May 2018, 01:44 PM
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This inscription in Serbian
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9th May 2018, 04:53 PM
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Can you read it ? |
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9th May 2018, 04:54 PM
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9th May 2018, 07:15 PM
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'Google translate' does Serbian to English (or German) if you can make out the letters.
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9th May 2018, 07:57 PM
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The first parts states "this sabre belonged to the Voevoda..." and then lists the name of the Voevoda, which I cannot quite make out, plus I am not familiar with the Serbian/Montenegrin voevodas.
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9th May 2018, 08:33 PM
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"Voevoda" means warrior, usually of higher rank such as commander. Literally, the one who leads in the war.
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9th May 2018, 10:44 PM
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Very nice piece. Perhaps more of a Shamshir than a Kilij, but who cares, collector-speak only!
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9th May 2018, 11:22 PM
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One of the more well-known ones was the Voivode Vlad Tepes, Prince of Wallachia, the Drakul, who didn't care much for his Turkish neighbours & gently persuaded some of them to leave his lands when they tried to arrive uninvited at the scene of one of his dinner parties. They apologised and left since he asked them so nicely. |
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10th May 2018, 10:21 AM
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that helps so is the title"Woiwode"(It is a Slavic ruler title.) it is an extraordinary Kilic see pictures.. Kurt |
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10th May 2018, 11:04 AM
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"Ова с сабля била войводе Т. Вучића Перишића покланя Ђ. Колароз"
"This saber was presented by the voivode T. Vučić Perišić J. Colaroz" But I can make a little mistake 
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10th May 2018, 11:30 AM
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Nice sword! Interesting to see the wrist cord as well. I note the little loops on the front quillon and the pommel where probably a little chain was secured. Is the grip made from horn?
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10th May 2018, 11:48 AM
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Have been trying for 6 years to bring this out. Kurt |
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10th May 2018, 11:49 AM
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10th May 2018, 01:04 PM
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 Toma Vučić Perišić (1787 or 1788 - 1859) is a famous statesman of Serbia, a participant in two uprisings against the Ottoman Empire. https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2...88%D0%B8%D1%9B |
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10th May 2018, 01:17 PM
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Is good to know ! Thanks Kurt |
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10th May 2018, 04:03 PM
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What about the Arabic writing and the mark? Is it a captured Ottoman blade? The decorations on the cross guard and scabbard look European (good quality as well).
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10th May 2018, 08:30 PM
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11th May 2018, 04:12 PM
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”Toma Vučić Perišić (1788–1859) was a participant of the First and Second Serbian Uprisings and a prominent figure of the government established by the Defenders of the Constitution (Ustavobranitelji). He was initially a collaborator of Miloš Obrenović, to become one of his most severe opponents. Vučić Perišić played a role in Miloš's abdication and the expulsion from the country of Prince Mihailo and the Obrenović family in 1842. The portrait dates from the period when Toma Vučić Perišić was one of the most powerful people in Serbia. He is shown in ceremonial and lavish Oriental outfit reflecting his high position of a statesman. Sticking to tradition, he kept on wearing Oriental dress, even though the majority of the bourgeois elite in Serbia adopted European dress styles.” |
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11th May 2018, 05:00 PM
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It is also a great article in Wikipedia |
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24th September 2023, 12:10 AM
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The kilic
Do you still own the kilic?
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