Any idea of what I just purchased

Roland_M · 19th March 2018, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kmaddock

Anyone know what I have, ethnic or European I do not know
Any information much appreciated as always
Regards
Ken

Hello Ken,

I'm relatively sure, that this is a so called "Jagdplaute", a German slightly curved hunting sword.

Please try this search and you will find more of them:
https://www.google.de/search?q=jagdp...w=1600&bih=864

or this link (only in German): http://www.zietenhusar.wg.am/jagdplaute/

But there is another possibility, it could be an American revolutionary war naval officer's sword. https://www.google.de/search?q=ameri...=1521459846789

In my opinion it is quite unusual for a military sword.

Roland

Kmaddock · 19th March 2018, 05:53 PM

Hi Roland
Thanks for the post, you might have gotten to the bottom of the identification.
I should have sword tomorrow or Wednesday
I will take more pictures when I have it in hand.
Pity about the missing parts but such is the story.
Regards
Ken

kronckew · 19th March 2018, 05:59 PM

if the missing bits were silver, it could be they were stripped off and sold for the metal content.

if you have any craft workshops in your area you may find a jeweller that can lostwax cast replacements with the above drawing as a guide. probably cheaper if you use bronze rather than silver. good luck.

Rick · 19th March 2018, 06:02 PM

I've got a suspicion that the Ivory is in fact a piece of Narwhal tusk.

Kmaddock · 22nd March 2018, 11:01 PM

Hi All
Swords arrived
Here are some better images of my sword
Length of blade is 75 cm
Handle is a further 11 cm
Blade has no markings but some very nice fuller work and is in good enough condition
There is a bit missing from the handle so I can see inside
If it is narwhal or ivory or bone I do not known.
Has anyone got any opinion.It definitely does look like the sword Roland put up I put it closer to the American sword than the German one though?

The remnants we taught was part of scabard was just a strip of leather wound round the blade

I am handy enough at metal work so the silver work might be done.
I have exams coming up but it would be a nice project

The Spadroon is a lovely sword so I will take some pictures of that over the weekend

Regards

Ken

Victrix · 23rd March 2018, 10:42 AM

The thin lines going round the grip look manmade to me so I would guess it’s made from bone. See how those thin lines have been extended to the short side where the pommel would have been attached. May have been made to imitate narwal to keep costs down? Otherwise it could be narwal with decorative lines added by a craftsman.

The American sword is beautiful and if you could fashion a pommel and guard it would look very nice! I guess the chances of finding loose replacements in the market must be slim?

M ELEY · 24th March 2018, 02:07 AM

I still stick with an English hanger, bone handle with green dye.

Here's a past thread of my lion hilt hanger, just to show the similarities in the blade and fuller.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14342

Victrix · 24th March 2018, 10:05 AM

I just thought the handle showed remarkable similarities with the American Revolutionary sword pictured above. As is often the case with old swords, it can be tricky to assign a nationality to them! Might indeed be an England finished sword with a German blade??

Thank you for the link to the excellent thread. Must be many threads like that lurking in the forum. I wish they were filed by topic but here the search function is very useful.

Does anyone know what that little chain on the American Revolutionary sword attaching the guard to the pommel is for? I can’t imagine its purpose is to protect the knuckle as it’s far too delicate. Could it be to prevent the wearer from dropping the sword (which would be especially annoying at sea where it might disappear under the waves forever!) like some portepee? Some Hungarian hussar sabres from the second half of the 17thC also have this feature.

19th March 2018, 06:02 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I've got a suspicion that the Ivory is in fact a piece of Narwhal tusk. Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 20th March 2018 at 02:21 AM. Reason: sp

22nd March 2018, 11:01 PM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi All Swords arrived Here are some better images of my sword Length of blade is 75 cm Handle is a further 11 cm Blade has no markings but some very nice fuller work and is in good enough condition There is a bit missing from the handle so I can see inside If it is narwhal or ivory or bone I do not known. Has anyone got any opinion.It definitely does look like the sword Roland put up I put it closer to the American sword than the German one though? The remnants we taught was part of scabard was just a strip of leather wound round the blade I am handy enough at metal work so the silver work might be done. I have exams coming up but it would be a nice project The Spadroon is a lovely sword so I will take some pictures of that over the weekend Regards Ken Attached Images

24th March 2018, 02:07 AM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	I still stick with an English hanger, bone handle with green dye. Here's a past thread of my lion hilt hanger, just to show the similarities in the blade and fuller. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14342 Last edited by M ELEY; 24th March 2018 at 02:25 AM.

19th March 2018, 05:53 PM	#2
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Roland Thanks for the post, you might have gotten to the bottom of the identification. I should have sword tomorrow or Wednesday I will take more pictures when I have it in hand. Pity about the missing parts but such is the story. Regards Ken

19th March 2018, 05:59 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	if the missing bits were silver, it could be they were stripped off and sold for the metal content. if you have any craft workshops in your area you may find a jeweller that can lostwax cast replacements with the above drawing as a guide. probably cheaper if you use bronze rather than silver. good luck.

23rd March 2018, 10:42 AM	#6
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	The thin lines going round the grip look manmade to me so I would guess it’s made from bone. See how those thin lines have been extended to the short side where the pommel would have been attached. May have been made to imitate narwal to keep costs down? Otherwise it could be narwal with decorative lines added by a craftsman. The American sword is beautiful and if you could fashion a pommel and guard it would look very nice! I guess the chances of finding loose replacements in the market must be slim?

24th March 2018, 10:05 AM	#8
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	I just thought the handle showed remarkable similarities with the American Revolutionary sword pictured above. As is often the case with old swords, it can be tricky to assign a nationality to them! Might indeed be an England finished sword with a German blade?? Thank you for the link to the excellent thread. Must be many threads like that lurking in the forum. I wish they were filed by topic but here the search function is very useful. Does anyone know what that little chain on the American Revolutionary sword attaching the guard to the pommel is for? I can’t imagine its purpose is to protect the knuckle as it’s far too delicate. Could it be to prevent the wearer from dropping the sword (which would be especially annoying at sea where it might disappear under the waves forever!) like some portepee? Some Hungarian hussar sabres from the second half of the 17thC also have this feature.