Balkan/Ottoman flintlock pistol for ID and comment

Fernando K · 22nd January 2018, 06:17 PM

Hello

There is an error in post number 5. Number 1 is the sear of half cock, but the firing sear is not visible, it is covered by the vision of the real spring. The number 2 indicates the visible end of the real spring.

Affectionately. Fernando K

rickystl · 28th January 2018, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello

There is an error in post number 5. Number 1 is the sear of half cock, but the firing sear is not visible, it is covered by the vision of the real spring. The number 2 indicates the visible end of the real spring.

Affectionately. Fernando K

Fernando K is correct. The full cock sear is located just above the half cock sear and is flat versus round. It's difficult to photograph since it's usually covered up by the mainspring.

Rick

rickystl · 28th January 2018, 02:54 PM

Hi Rajesh.

That is indeed a nice rat-tail pistol. Also with the one piece muzzle band.
I notice your pistol is also in the full-cock position. Would also recommend you release the hammer as long term in this position will weaken the mainspring.
Again, nice example that appears in good condition.

Rick

rickystl · 28th January 2018, 02:57 PM

For those interested, here are some clean photos of this lock.

Rick

Kubur · 28th January 2018, 04:29 PM

Nice pistols! and nice lock Rick!

I would like to add that most of these locks were engraved
with clouds and wind, symbols that you can find on some blades too...

rickystl · 29th January 2018, 01:44 AM

Hi Kubur

I've often wondered if this paticular style of lock, wheather pistol or long gun size, was made in just a couple of maybe large shops somewhere in the Balkans. With the exception of various engraving, they are all almost identical in construction.
While still not equal to the better European miquelet locks, from shooting experience these locks are reliable and have good timing. Better than the other Ottoman/Balkan style locks. This must be at least one of the reasons this lock shows up on so many different Eastern style guns.

Rick

cyten · 9th November 2022, 12:19 PM

According to the Historical Museum of Serbia and "The First Serbian Uprising and the Restoration of the Serbian State" by Ljiljana Stanojević, these pistols are called Ledenica or Celina (with round butts, im unsure of the name of the rat tail guns)

28th January 2018, 02:57 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	For those interested, here are some clean photos of this lock. Rick Attached Images

28th January 2018, 04:29 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Nice pistols! and nice lock Rick! I would like to add that most of these locks were engraved with clouds and wind, symbols that you can find on some blades too... Attached Images

22nd January 2018, 06:17 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello There is an error in post number 5. Number 1 is the sear of half cock, but the firing sear is not visible, it is covered by the vision of the real spring. The number 2 indicates the visible end of the real spring. Affectionately. Fernando K

28th January 2018, 02:54 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Rajesh. That is indeed a nice rat-tail pistol. Also with the one piece muzzle band. I notice your pistol is also in the full-cock position. Would also recommend you release the hammer as long term in this position will weaken the mainspring. Again, nice example that appears in good condition. Rick

29th January 2018, 01:44 AM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Kubur I've often wondered if this paticular style of lock, wheather pistol or long gun size, was made in just a couple of maybe large shops somewhere in the Balkans. With the exception of various engraving, they are all almost identical in construction. While still not equal to the better European miquelet locks, from shooting experience these locks are reliable and have good timing. Better than the other Ottoman/Balkan style locks. This must be at least one of the reasons this lock shows up on so many different Eastern style guns. Rick

9th November 2022, 12:19 PM	#7
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 94	According to the Historical Museum of Serbia and "The First Serbian Uprising and the Restoration of the Serbian State" by Ljiljana Stanojević, these pistols are called Ledenica or Celina (with round butts, im unsure of the name of the rat tail guns)