Bhuj? Age? Origin?

Jens Nordlunde · 17th January 2018, 06:18 PM

Detlef, I could try to guess, but I would rather not, as long as I have not had it in my hand.
The decorations (in this case an elephant head), can be very stylized, and can often be seen on katars - but in this casethey are peacocks, or on gauntlet swords.
Often you have to know what to look for, before you can see them. To this comes that you will have to know how the animals used were shown at the time - so grab a few books.
I must also add, that it is the first time I have seen an elephant head like this - which does not mean a lot, as I have not seen it all.

Mercenary · 19th January 2018, 09:58 PM

This is one of the few real items. It's not a souvenir of the late 19th - early 20th century "with a dagger in the handle and the elephant" - numerous copies of real but few ceremonial items of Kutch province. This one is the real historical item from Rajasthan. In Urdu it was called "daste-das" (meaning and translation the same as "bhuj"). Very rare stroke of luck. You're lucky.

Sajen · 20th January 2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary

This is one of the few real items. It's not a souvenir of the late 19th - early 20th century "with a dagger in the handle and the elephant" - numerous copies of real but few ceremonial items of Kutch province. This one is the real historical item from Rajasthan. In Urdu it was called "daste-das" (meaning and translation the same as "bhuj"). Very rare stroke of luck. You're lucky.

Thank you very much Mercenary!

Best regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 21st January 2018, 02:02 PM

Have received the beast, the blade is laminated, the tip is compressed and a little bit bent, the bolster isn't integral with the blade but "hard-soldered" and the two plates are different thick and it seems that they were red painted at one time, there are still some red paint visible. It's a heavy weapon and thought as thrusting weapon IMVHO instead of slashing. When I attach a string at the two rings the weapon is exactly in balance so I suspect that there was once attached a belt which can laid over the shoulder due the heavy weight of it (approx. 1 kg).
I've taken many pictures, please excuse the quality, it's the best I can manage by the light we have in the moment in Germany.

Sajen · 21st January 2018, 02:15 PM

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Sajen · 21st January 2018, 02:18 PM

And here a size comparison with my toa.

Sajen · 20th January 2018, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Detlef, I could try to guess, but I would rather not, as long as I have not had it in my hand.
The decorations (in this case an elephant head), can be very stylized, and can often be seen on katars - but in this casethey are peacocks, or on gauntlet swords.
Often you have to know what to look for, before you can see them. To this comes that you will have to know how the animals used were shown at the time - so grab a few books.
I must also add, that it is the first time I have seen an elephant head like this - which does not mean a lot, as I have not seen it all.

Hello Jens,

thank you anyway. I've just taken pictures from it, I still need to resize them before I can post them.

Thank you again,
Detlef

21st January 2018, 02:02 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Have received the beast, the blade is laminated, the tip is compressed and a little bit bent, the bolster isn't integral with the blade but "hard-soldered" and the two plates are different thick and it seems that they were red painted at one time, there are still some red paint visible. It's a heavy weapon and thought as thrusting weapon IMVHO instead of slashing. When I attach a string at the two rings the weapon is exactly in balance so I suspect that there was once attached a belt which can laid over the shoulder due the heavy weight of it (approx. 1 kg). I've taken many pictures, please excuse the quality, it's the best I can manage by the light we have in the moment in Germany. Attached Images

21st January 2018, 02:15 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	More Attached Images

21st January 2018, 02:18 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	And here a size comparison with my toa. Attached Images

17th January 2018, 06:18 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Detlef, I could try to guess, but I would rather not, as long as I have not had it in my hand. The decorations (in this case an elephant head), can be very stylized, and can often be seen on katars - but in this casethey are peacocks, or on gauntlet swords. Often you have to know what to look for, before you can see them. To this comes that you will have to know how the animals used were shown at the time - so grab a few books. I must also add, that it is the first time I have seen an elephant head like this - which does not mean a lot, as I have not seen it all.

19th January 2018, 09:58 PM	#2
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 426	This is one of the few real items. It's not a souvenir of the late 19th - early 20th century "with a dagger in the handle and the elephant" - numerous copies of real but few ceremonial items of Kutch province. This one is the real historical item from Rajasthan. In Urdu it was called "daste-das" (meaning and translation the same as "bhuj"). Very rare stroke of luck. You're lucky.