Indonesian terms for these two

[Ian]

Detlef:

Thank you very much for your helpful comments and the links to other information here.

Yes, I was aware that these two are from what is now Malaysia. My question was really about their appearance in Gardner's book on Indonesian weapons and the terms he used to describe them, which I had not seen before. It occurred to me that these weapons may have some place in Indonesian weaponry as well, where they could have their own descriptors. That's why I titled the thread "Indonesian terms for these two," because it appeared that they were called something different in the Indonesian use of them. Sorry if that was unclear.

The use of the terms parang kelantan and parang pattani are helpful in identifying the geographic origins of these, and kelewang (klewang) is a useful descriptor for that blade type.

Appreciate the help, Detlef.

Ian.

[Sajen]

Ian,

it will be like so many times, it could be that a sword get called in one village different as in the next village.

I would be happy with the term kelewang for the upper one and with parang ginah or parang jengkok for the bottom one, a term I've heard and read before, most probable by Gardener. But like you see when you search more there arise the next name, in Spirit Of Wood it's called anak wali (children custodian/free translation).

Best,
Detlef

[Ian]

Thanks Detlef.

I do have a couple more--letter openers, that is. The top one measures 8.5 inches and the bottom 10 inches in length. They are both silver-plated with horn hilts, and were a gift from a business associate 20 years ago.

Ian.